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Canada: Violent Somali Gangster Can Stay

This is becoming a pattern! This is the second such case I have linked here in the last week!

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/nort...-deported.html

What is going on in Canada for goodness sake?

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A federal court has ruled an extremely violent member of the Mad Cowz should have his deportation order stayed because it is too dangerous for him to return to Somalia's capital.

Hussein Jilaow, 25, was scheduled to be deported to Somalia on Feb. 28 because the Canada Border Services Agency deemed the refugee criminally inadmissible to Canada.

Last October he pleaded guilty to threatening to kill prison guards and rape their wives following a disturbance at the Winnipeg Remand Centre.

Jilaow, with the assistance of Winnipeg lawyer David Matas, appealed to the federal court to stay his removal because the CBSA had changed his travel arrangements and was to deport him to the Somalian capital of Mogadishu, where he would have been in serious danger.


winnipegsun.com - Winnipeg News - Order to turf Mad Cowz member reversed
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Re: Canada: Violent Somali Gangster Can Stay

The only pattern I see is your hysterical shrieking and you relying on sensationalism.

The order is stayed pending appeal.

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4. stop, delay, or prevent, in particular suspend or postpone (judicial proceedings).
You have a problem with normal legal proceedings running their course?

All in all, more of the same:
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The only pattern I see is your hysterical shrieking and you relying on sensationalism.

The order is stayed pending appeal.
The order should not have been stayed he should be removed without appeal. I appreciate WOI that you incapable of any sort of intelligent discourse so I will save you a detailed explanation of why I find this offensive and why a temporary stay can turn permanent.

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You have a problem with normal legal proceedings running their course?

All in all, more of the same:
I have a serious problem with violent sadistic murderous criminals who have no place in Canada being allowed to remain even on a temporary basis. I am more interested in the safety of my people instead of the so called rights of a degenerate invader who should be removed ASAP!
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The order should not have been stayed he should be removed without appeal. I appreciate WOI that you incapable of any sort of intelligent discourse so I will save you a detailed explanation of why I find this offensive and why a temporary stay can turn permanent.
But it hasn't. So I take it you're against the right of appeal for non-whites?

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I have a serious problem with violent sadistic murderous criminals who have no place in Canada being allowed to remain even on a temporary basis. I am more interested in the safety of my people instead of the so called rights of a degenerate invader who should be removed ASAP!
'Your' people ? If I may infer from this that you're Canadian, then it's 'your' people who have voted the people into office that have written the laws that allow for appeal. Maybe 'your' people are above the jungle dwelling justice you're promoting ?
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But it hasn't. So I take it you're against the right of appeal for non-whites?
I am against the right of appeal for dangerous refugees who have been convicted of violent crimes and are facing deportation! They are not staying the order because his guilt is in doubt but are staying it because this maniac will not be cuddled in his African homeland.

He should be removed! There is no logical reason to subject Canadian society to this deviant any longer...

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'Your' people ? If I may infer from this that you're Canadian, then it's 'your' people who have voted the people into office that have written the laws that allow for appeal. Maybe 'your' people are above the jungle dwelling justice you're promoting ?
Actually it is an individual who lives by 'Jungle Dwelling Justice' I am trying to get deported!
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He should be removed! There is no logical reason to subject Canadian society to this deviant any longer
This is from the piece you postred:

Last October he pleaded guilty to threatening to kill prison guards and rape their wives following a disturbance at the Winnipeg Remand Centre.

If the guy is out and about in society at large, then there's a significant problem with how Canada handles guilty pleas to crimes.

Otrherwise, if he's still in jail, Canadian society isn't subjected to him, as criminals are put in jail to remove them from society...
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I am against the right of appeal for dangerous refugees who have been convicted of violent crimes and are facing deportation! They are not staying the order because his guilt is in doubt but are staying it because this maniac will not be cuddled in his African homeland.

He should be removed! There is no logical reason to subject Canadian society to this deviant any longer...
But there is a logical -and legal- reason for the stay, viz. the right of appeal, which obviously is a right for criminals and/or suspects. But I gather you want to reduce its scope ? So, please provide an exhaustive list of criteria for who does get the right of appeal and who doesn't.

Canadian society is not subjected to this criminal as he's in jail.

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Actually it is an individual who lives by 'Jungle Dwelling Justice' I am trying to get deported!
I'll await your list of criteria before evaluating who's the barbaric vigilante.
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This is from the piece you postred:

Last October he pleaded guilty to threatening to kill prison guards and rape their wives following a disturbance at the Winnipeg Remand Centre.

If the guy is out and about in society at large, then there's a significant problem with how Canada handles guilty pleas to crimes.

Otrherwise, if he's still in jail, Canadian society isn't subjected to him, as criminals are put in jail to remove them from society...
The problem is Steve is he will not be held indefinitely! They cannot hold him for life unless he is declared a dangerous offender which would be near impossible in his case! 'Uttering Death Threats' would not be grounds for such a declaration. If he is allowed to remain in Canada he will eventually be freed into society...

Even he knows he will eventually get out and he will unless we deport him. If Canada can unlawfully imprison a white German immigrant pacifist for two years without charge on a terrorism certificate because he had a politically incorrect view of WWII history I am sure we could find a way to get this character out of the nation!
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Re: Canada: Violent Somali Gangster Can Stay

The impression I got from the article was that it is not exactly an appeal but an appeal to 'stay' his deportation (thus the appeal to 'stay' or halt) until he can be returned to Somalia in an area where they would not essentially be executing him indirectly.

I find it funny how it's like the movie "The Terminal" with Tom Hanks, because he cannot be sent to where they originally wanted to (where he would be safe) because it has declared itself to be a "the self-declared breakaway Republic of Somaliland, and Jilaow would not be permitted entry because he was born in southern Somalia." Except of course he is locked in prison vs. an airport.
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Re: Canada: Violent Somali Gangster Can Stay

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The problem is Steve is he will not be held indefinitely! They cannot hold him for life unless he is declared a dangerous offender which would be near impossible in his case! 'Uttering Death Threats' would not be grounds for such a declaration. If he is allowed to remain in Canada he will eventually be freed into society...
Well, I would agree that uttering threats isn't something that should land someone in jail forever.

Sounds like it's time for a shake-up in Ottawa...
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