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View Poll Results: Should cars be banned from inner parts of Large European cities?
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Should cars be banned from inner parts of large European cities?

I am sick and tired of cars in the inner parts of our large European cities, they got no business there at all. They take up a lot of space, they pollute, they make a lot of noise, and they are dangerous for pedestrians and bicycles.
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I am more worried about the pollution ruining objects from antiquity actually..so I would say yes..but, alas..it won't happen...
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I voted don't know. Don't many cities already forbid vehicles in historic districts simply because they weren't designed for motor vehicles?

If not, that would be reasonable, but it wouldn't be appropriate to ban vehicles simply because it is crowded. It could hurt business and possibly discourage tourism. Cars (and we have much larger cars than Europe), people, and bikes all work well cities in the U.S. such as New York and Washington D.C., so it can work, but there just have to be accepted rules for people to follow.
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Don't know too, maybe we can apply the London model too other cities, but public transport will have to follow to a higher demand...

I remember a few years ago in London, Oxford street is just full of buses and taxis, almost no cars!
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I voted don't know. Don't many cities already forbid vehicles in historic districts simply because they weren't designed for motor vehicles?
I believe that some Italian cities have done that, but its not good enough if you ask me.
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If not, that would be reasonable, but it wouldn't be appropriate to ban vehicles simply because it is crowded. It could hurt business and possibly discourage tourism. Cars (and we have much larger cars than Europe), people, and bikes all work well cities in the U.S. such as New York and Washington D.C., so it can work, but there just have to be accepted rules for people to follow.
American cities were designed for cars with lots of street space. European cities (except for a few German ones) were not. It might damage the economy to some extend, but not the tourism I think. Either way, it would totally be worth it.
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Don't know too, maybe we can apply the London model too other cities, but public transport will have to follow to a higher demand...

I remember a few years ago in London, Oxford street is just full of buses and taxis, almost no cars!
I dont like the London model since its only a half solution. Why should people who live in the inner cities be allowed to drive around there in their cars for free, when people from the outside have to pay?
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I think it depends on the city and its particulars. This was done in Galway in Ireland in the early 1990s where the downtown section was pedestrianised. The streets were narrow and traffic had always blocked up and cluttered the whole area. Closing it to traffic and pedestrianising it did wonders for making the downtown very sporty and trendy for business and culture and helped make the city a very popular place to live, work and visit.





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I believe that some Italian cities have done that, but its not good enough if you ask me.
American cities were designed for cars with lots of street space. European cities (except for a few German ones) were not. It might damage the economy to some extend, but not the tourism I think. Either way, it would totally be worth it.
I don't think it would make much sense to do an all out ban across the E.U. or force cities to take such measures, even within an individual country. Each city needs to examine its needs and desires and make the decision themselves. The pedestrian sectors of some European cities are very nice, but they still have motor vehicle access to those parts of the city in other areas. Not all cities are the same, and I still believe it is unreasonable to cut off motor vehicle access to entire sections of a city.
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I think it depends on the city and its particulars. This was done in Galway in Ireland in the early 1990s where the downtown section was pedestrianised. The streets were narrow and traffic had always blocked up and cluttered the whole area. Closing it to traffic and pedestrianising it did wonders for making the downtown very sporty and trendy for business and culture and helped make the city a very popular place to live, work and visit.





Well, Europe is already kind of socialist and authoritarian. Might as well go for it.
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Nice pics! Did you go there O'Sullivan? Did you drink any green beers at pubs?
And is Fit Finley really an Irish Wrestler or thats his phony name?
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Well, Europe is already kind of socialist and authoritarian. Might as well go for it.
Hehe, that move was pure unadulterated capitalism and the huge cash flow shows it.
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Nice pics! Did you go there O'Sullivan? Did you drink any green beers at pubs?
And is Fit Finley really an Irish Wrestler or thats his phony name?
I know the town very well.
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I know the town very well.
Do you live in Ireland? Didnt know they had a city called Pennlsylvania.
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Do you live in Ireland? Didnt know they had a city called Pennlsylvania.
Ireland doesn't but you will find Pennsylvania located in the US. But New York does have a town called Galway. I've been to that too but the one called Galway that I am referring is in Ireland. Ever hear of a thing called moving or even travelling out of your home town? Try it; the Irish do it regularly and it opens the mind. You learn other things things like the Danes not being Irish, etc
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I don't think it would make much sense to do an all out ban across the E.U. or force cities to take such measures, even within an individual country. Each city needs to examine its needs and desires and make the decision themselves.
I agree, but it doesn't seem like they have the guts to do so, unfortunately.
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The pedestrian sectors of some European cities are very nice, but they still have motor vehicle access to those parts of the city in other areas. Not all cities are the same, and I still believe it is unreasonable to cut off motor vehicle access to entire sections of a city.
I was merely talking about banning all private cars from the inner cities, especially from all streets with only two lanes. Commercial vehicles should still be allowed to drive around where they need to. I dont see a problem with mopeds, scooters and motorcycles in the inner cities either, as long as they have 4 stroke engines.
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