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Old 04-11-2007
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Re: UN - One member - one vote

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Eric,

Do you even know what the UN does... It's not just the security council...
You're right. Its also a "Hate America" club, a breeding ground for corruption, and a money sink.
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The US doesn't regulary supply may troops to the UN so you don't know what they do...
We HAVE supplied it with troops before, usually far more than anyone else - hence the reason we dont do it anymore.
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How do you think civil nations should sort out disputes...
Between themselves - as they have throughout history and still do today. The UN does nothing but act as a psuedo-roadblock to any actual dispute resolution. if the nations work it out, the UN tries to take credit. If they dont, the UN blames it on something else - usually the US.
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UNICEF is very good organisation that does alot of good in the world in some of the worst conditions..
So what? It could continue to exist under a different name without the UN.
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There is other NGOs but in disaster relief the UN in the organiser in most cases..
Again - so what? You say that like there would be none without the UN. Disaster relief is not the stated goal of the UN.
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Eric, you have no interest what happens in Africa and other severly poor areas of the world.
Nope - sure dont.
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Eric do you how poor these areas are and how unstable they are...
Dont care. Not my country.
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The UN is alot of times the only hope these people have got.
Again - so what? If the nations cannot make it on their own, perhaps they do not deserve to BE nations. Did you not consider this?
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The US doesn't send troops in without exit straegies...
What does this have to do with the UN?
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Eric your all critism without any alternatives...
WRONG. I have an alternative - you just dont like it. Abolish the UN. That IS an alternative.
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Since the US goverment is one of the meanest goverments in the world when compared to GDP I would advise to be embarressed and say very little...
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WTF? What planet are YOU on? If you're looking at only government donations, i can understand your confusion. The US gives the bulk of its contributions from PRIVATE sources. Additionally, our government is not structured in such a manner as to allow much in the way of foreign charity. Has to do with power flowing from the people to the government, not the other way around as it is in the majority of nations.

Understanding how the US works would make you look like less of an ass when you make comments such as that. Meanest nation? Buddy - you're sadly misinformed. We give more than any other nation in the world - bar none. Likely more than any 2 -4 nations combined. Hate to break it to you, but without the US, the world would NOT be the relatively stable place it is today. You may disagree with that, or disagree with our policies or actions, but the fact remains we do far more than any other nation ever has.
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Re: UN - One member - one vote

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Slon,

It's up for debate.

Some people pay more taxes but still get one vote in an election, I have the same political power as Richard Branson, are you suggesting that Branson gets 500 votes and I get one? Or worse that Bill Gates gets 1,000 votes and you get one?
I doubt seriously you get teh same access to the power brokers that Gates or Branson does.
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Re: UN - One member - one vote

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I think this requires legitimate discussion.

There are five permanent members of the UN security council:

US
UK
France
Russia
China

These countries all have differing political viewpoints, and one veto can kill a resolution. This is NOT democratic.

In order to further democracy of the world, wouldn't it be better if the UN adaopted a one member - one vote system. Countries can then decide what is in their own national interest and vote accordingly, with the democratically 'elected' resolution enforced. Every member must commit 10% of its armed forces to the UN mandate.

This way the UN would become a much more effective body.

Thoughts?
Well, although I do not approve of the present five nation veto system, but not for the same reason as you, I would need to ask whether International Politics has anything to do with Democracy. Democracy applies to people, not to States.

I would therefore argue that it would be very undemocratic to have one vote for one State - or at least - if we were to follow your idea - this vote should be compounded by the size of the population of each State.
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Re: UN - One member - one vote

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Well, although I do not approve of the present five nation veto system, but not for the same reason as you, I would need to ask whether International Politics has anything to do with Democracy. Democracy applies to people, not to States.

I would therefore argue that it would be very undemocratic to have one vote for one State - or at least - if we were to follow your idea - this vote should be compounded by the size of the population of each State.
The UN never purported to be a democracy. The UN is a private organization whose members are chosen by invitation only.

It was never designed to be some kind of World Government. It's main purpose is to keep peaceful relations in the world by keeping the peace between the permanent Security Council members.
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