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Old 05-16-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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Here news said he was stabbed by other Russians..
Two Estonian skinheads, 23 and 27 years old, have been detained last Saturday. The prosecutors still keep their surnames in secret and silence all the issue for understandable reason as much as possible. This is politically motivated and very dangerous point. It will take time to learn all truth and they will hide it as long as possible.

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Do you mean that Russians feel the need to wage wars again?
If so, do sign upp, we'll meet in battle.
I do regret, but I have to disappoint you, little berserk). Stop dreaming, Fennica, really I told you that many times. Stop dreaming about wars, because it is childish. In war your atoms possibly fly by mine - that is all you could count on in the sense of meeting, because, if you learnt physics, you know the direct collisions of the atomic substance is mathematic abstraction. If you learnt history, then you possibly know as well that all wars are only profitable for the third neutral party.
All this is very simple and clear especially to those who lived in the country side, not in the distorted quasi-society of a city only, and experienced the real human relations. The one situation is as one small country hates and harms the big neighbour with impunity, while this neighbour stays indifferent or even unconcious of that harm. The other thing is as that big neighbour understands the inflicted harm, unites and starts to take it's revenge consistently, selectively and carefully.
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Old 05-17-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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Two Estonian skinheads, 23 and 27 years old, have been detained last Saturday. The prosecutors still keep their surnames in secret and silence all the issue for understandable reason as much as possible. This is politically motivated and very dangerous point. It will take time to learn all truth and they will hide it as long as possible.
Ah, good to hear the stabbers were caught, but how on earth did you manage to put political agendas on this one? Come now, political aspects come to play when Russians come to Estonia to instigate, not when there's a crime in Estonia done by Estonians.

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I do regret, but I have to disappoint you, little berserk). Stop dreaming, Fennica, really I told you that many times. Stop dreaming about wars, because it is childish.
That is Russian opinion, to have Tsars borders back.
You are the one making threats, I am simply inclined to point out that while you would only talk, I would defend.

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In war your atoms possibly fly by mine - that is all you could count on in the sense of meeting, because, if you learnt physics, you know the direct collisions of the atomic substance is mathematic abstraction.
Amusing, but aside the matter.

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If you learnt history, then you possibly know as well that all wars are only profitable for the third neutral party.
Oh? Now I am wholeheartly in different opinions in this. And for me, it is easy to proove my stand.
Estonia was occupied, along with parts of Poland to have a Buffer zone against Nazi-Germany. One side profit.
Finland was attacked for the same reasons and for nickel we had. One side profit.

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All this is very simple and clear especially to those who lived in the country side, not in the distorted quasi-society of a city only, and experienced the real human relations.
Tut tut, I am a country-lad. Born in the countryside, lived there and have roamed the woods all my life.

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The one situation is as one small country hates and harms the big neighbour with impunity, while this neighbour stays indifferent or even unconcious of that harm.
Might want to give examples, less talking without any basis. Do you referr to the Russian unwillingness to acnkowledge Borders with Baltics, perhaeps? Or Russian actions in caucasus?

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The other thing is as that big neighbour understands the inflicted harm, unites and starts to take it's revenge consistently, selectively and carefully.
I have studied carefully your selective revenge, but thusfar have not seen a hint of careful selectivety.
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Old 05-17-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Nazi -Russia attack Estonia



"Many of the attacks have come from Russia and are being hosted by Russian state computer servers, Tallinn says.

It wants to put the issue at the top of Friday's EU-Russia summit agenda. Moscow denies any involvement.

Estonia says the attacks began after it moved a Soviet war memorial in Tallinn. The move was condemned by the Kremlin.

The memorial's removal also triggered riots amongst mostly ethnic Russian living in Estonia, during which one person was killed and more than 150 injured.

Estonians say the memorial symbolised Soviet occupation of the Baltic state. Russians say it is a tribute to those who fought the Nazis. "

BBC NEWS | Europe | Estonia hit by 'Moscow cyber war'
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Old 05-17-2007
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Two Estonian skinheads, 23 and 27 years old, have been detained last Saturday.
It's Kremlin propoganda again ? Give the reference please
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Old 05-17-2007
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It's Kremlin propoganda again ? Give the reference please
Estonian police published their names (Yanek and Yaak)
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Old 05-18-2007
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Estonian police published their names (Yanek and Yaak)
So why Russia media say that they are skinheads.
That was conflict when russia skinheads were destroying Talinn shops.



BBC NEWS | Europe | Rows overshadow EU-Russia talks

"Human rights record

The veto follows Russia's decision last year to block meat imports from Poland over apparent food safety issues.

The EU has also said it could withhold final approval of Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization until trade tariff problems are resolved.

A major factor in the deterioration of relations has been Estonia's removal last month of a World War II monument to Red Army soldiers in central Tallinn.

The event sparked unrest by ethnic Russians in Estonia, and a blockade of the Estonian embassy in Moscow. "

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Old 05-18-2007
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"Russia's record on human rights is also an issue at the summit.

A protest by opposition groups has been allowed to go ahead in Samara, but leaders, including Mr Kasparov, had their passports and tickets removed by police as they tried to board a plane at Moscow airport. Several foreign journalists were also reportedly prevented from travelling.
Organisers said they were not expecting more than 1,000 people to attend, and a demonstration by pro-Kremlin groups will go ahead simultaneously."

Again Nazi methods

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Old 05-19-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Hmh, Russians are at it again.
Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Business & Finance
I do not compleatly follow their locig, though.

Russians welcomed investors from abroad, allowed them to construct logistics and sites of use, and then claim them back and disregard all and any contracts as they please. That is crude and efficent way to have working hardware in place, but makes sure no forgein investors see Russia as reliable place to conduct buisness.

In Kronstatd, Thugs of Rosstoi company used fists to drive Finnish wokers away, while Miliisi stood by and watched if Finns would fight back to have an excuse.
This is crystal clear to us, what about you Russians?
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Old 05-19-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Theres also the business with the Wood tariffs, which are illegal but Russia puts them in place anyway.


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Russia plans to increase sharply its export tariffs on raw timber. This would make for serious problems for the Finnish forest sector, which relies on imports across the eastern border to keep plants working to capacity.
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Theres also the business with the Wood tariffs, which are illegal but Russia puts them in place anyway.

Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Foreign
They attempt the same as with most other fields of industry. (Oh, right; to forgeiners, Russians harazzed all trucktraffic coming into Russia with everything they could possibly imagine. Finally companies not working FROM Russia were compleatly forbidden to enter to the country.
All truck-traffic out from Russia with Russian drivers and companies of course were expected to fly smoothly through borders. As a result, Russian truckdrivers have become a real hazard in Finland, driving with their own style and often drunk as a cocoo)

Russians have already given unofficial invitations to any willing timber corporation to come and establish factories and mills inside Russia, in Karelia.
Result is quite clear; once the foolish investors have compleated the facilities, Russia will claim them and kick investors off, taking over the finished infrastucture.

It has worked thusfar, but I hope no one is that idiotic to actually put money in there.
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

And when Estonia moves a Russian ww2 war memorial they are supposed to be sorry about it? and be attacked by putin as unforgiving and bias? Excuse me but it was ww2 that brought Estonia under the soviet maw and kept its citizens under their heel...so now they have become very independent and quite successful at it....thats what Putin is pissed about lets be honest....
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And when Estonia moves a Russian ww2 war memorial they are supposed to be sorry about it? and be attacked by putin as unforgiving and bias? Excuse me but it was ww2 that brought Estonia under the soviet maw and kept its citizens under their heel...so now they have become very independent and quite successful at it....thats what Putin is pissed about lets be honest....
Well, there is more to that.
One might ask the reason for Putins play conserning the Russian minorities and their Russian rights. "Outer Russians", as they are called.
Or ask why Putin tries to meddle with internal matters of other nations.
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Old 05-19-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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Hmh, Russians are at it again.
Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Business & Finance
I do not compleatly follow their locig, though.

Russians welcomed investors from abroad, allowed them to construct logistics and sites of use, and then claim them back and disregard all and any contracts as they please. That is crude and efficent way to have working hardware in place, but makes sure no forgein investors see Russia as reliable place to conduct buisness.

In Kronstatd, Thugs of Rosstoi company used fists to drive Finnish wokers away, while Miliisi stood by and watched if Finns would fight back to have an excuse.
This is crystal clear to us, what about you Russians?
This is not anti-Finnish issue. This is very big corruptional scandal where Finns are small occasional participants. I think they will not lose their money - to the contrary, they possibly earn well on it. So don't seek the nationalism where the huge money play the first fiddle.
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Old 05-20-2007
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This is not anti-Finnish issue. This is very big corruptional scandal where Finns are small occasional participants. I think they will not lose their money - to the contrary, they possibly earn well on it. So don't seek the nationalism where the huge money play the first fiddle.
Explain how this is a corruptional scandal?

And I did not even assume people would believe this as anti-finnish issue, but more to the anti-forgein issue.
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Like the new French President Sarkozy says: Like France or go out of France... Estonians President could say the same thing to the Russians who don't want to integrate themselves in Estonia
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