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Old 05-30-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Yulia Timoshenko is famous for 6 months as a prime minister of Ukraine. During this term, economical growth in Ukraine has fallen from 12% to 2%. After she was replaced with Yanukovich, economical growth has restored to 7,5% and continue the growing till the political crisis, caused by Timoshenko and USchenko, that we see in current time during 2 last moths.
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Timoshenko will aggravate political and economic crisis in Ukraine


Under present circumstances when Ukrainian president Yushchenko is too feeble and we organize substantial financial support of Ukrainian political parties, Yulia Timoshenko has a very good chance of rising to power. Indeed, the support given by the White House to the Block of Yulia Timoshenko (BYT) and the Our Ukraine Party (OUP) is boggling imagination. It includes assistance of NDI under Nelson Ledsky's directorate and experts support of Millenium Challenge Corporation.

Unfortunately, there are only a few politicians in America who comprehend what Timoshenko's rising to power may result in. First of all, thsi will lead to breakdown of our business expectations for Ukraine. For some inexplicable reason, US state department and the White House are still laying great hopes on Ukraine's "orange" politicians like Timoshenko. Independent experts say however that Timoshenko's rising to power will lead to acute and unavoidable worsening of financial and economic conditions in Ukraine, cooling off realization of a number of important international projects for integration of Ukraine into global, European and North Atlantic trade organizations.

Besides that, within business communities Yulia Timoshenko is not considered as a person who is able to carry out effective economic and administrative reforms. In addition to that investors fear that after Timoshenko comes to power, she will keep her mind on repartition of country's production facilities to the benefit of Ukrainian businessmen who support her.
Hello. In this thread Kanas leads his cunny cyber-propagandistic war against Russia. The main valueability of Timoshenko as politician is that she is extremely anti-russian, so you should either glorify her here, or start the new separate thread. IMHO, of course).
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Old 05-31-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

BBC NEWS | Business | Fighting for free speech in Russia


"These are members of the nationwide Nashi youth movement. They call themselves "anti-fascist", but "Nashi" means "ours".

And with their patriotic slogans, and slightly militant style, they remind me of the Komsomol, the young Communists of the Soviet era.

These are President Putin's foot-soldiers, a Kremlin-backed youth movement dedicated to making Russia a better place - and ready to counter any attempt to organise an Orange-style revolution.

But there is also what looks like a darker side to their activities.

In Moscow, they have organised pickets to harass both the British ambassador - for attending an unofficial human rights seminar - and the Estonian embassy - after Estonia dismantled a Soviet war memorial.
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"These are members of the nationwide Nashi youth movement. They call themselves "anti-fascist", but "Nashi" means "ours".

And with their patriotic slogans, and slightly militant style, they remind me of the Komsomol, the young Communists of the Soviet era.

These are President Putin's foot-soldiers, a Kremlin-backed youth movement dedicated to making Russia a better place - and ready to counter any attempt to organise an Orange-style revolution.

But there is also what looks like a darker side to their activities.

In Moscow, they have organised pickets to harass both the British ambassador - for attending an unofficial human rights seminar - and the Estonian embassy - after Estonia dismantled a Soviet war memorial.
You know all, Kanes is not too far off point. The Nashi indeed has features which would not stand in democratic system. Or what do you think of Nashi-youth partolling alongside Miliisi and having sort of komissars. Or breaking diplomatic immunity?(but that, as the strikes against Estonia in cyberspace was dictated and aided by Kreml.)

Facists in Germany had SA, Tsar Putin has formed Nashi.
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Fennica, all your post are an example of your paradigm "Russia - bad, Europe and USA - good".

So there's absolutely no need to read your posts, cos' they are quite predictable.
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Or breaking diplomatic immunity?
Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity, which ensures that diplomats are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country's laws.

I didn't notice that diplomats in Russia are under lawsuit.

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as the strikes against Estonia in cyberspace was dictated and aided by Kreml
Any proves?
I've seen in russian internet appeals in blogs to hack estonian governmental sites, so this attack was organized by private persons.

Fennica, that is just shows how you spread lie.
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Facists in Germany had SA, Tsar Putin has formed Nashi.
After the US have created the OTPOR in Serbia, KHMARA in Georgia, PORA in Ukraine - the organizations which assaulted the state structures, threatened the Constitutional Courts and violently changed the regimes in the countries far off thousands miles from the US - is it too wondering, that in our country is created the umbrella organization for the state goals?
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I’m disgusted at Kremlin propoganda, they are always lieing as Kremlin propagandists in this forum.

"[Lugovoi's] comments make me laugh," said Maxim Litvinenko, 24, who lives in Italy. "I don't know with what courage he can now even accuse the British government. It's absolutely absurd."

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Fennica, all your post are an example of your paradigm "Russia - bad, Europe and USA - good".

So there's absolutely no need to read your posts, cos' they are quite predictable.
You say that I am pro Europe and Pro U.S.??? REally now, not even remotely close to the reality!

I am not a big fan of U.S. leadership which has brought so much instability and I am most certainly against bureaucratic, undemocratic EU and all it's directives you can think of.

And I show complete lack of trust towards Russians, which is not only wise, but expected.
Give us a reason to trust you, give us reasons to have faith in your lands willingness to let other nations live as they will.
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Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity, which ensures that diplomats are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country's laws.

I didn't notice that diplomats in Russia are under lawsuit.

Any proves?
I've seen in russian internet appeals in blogs to hack estonian governmental sites, so this attack was organized by private persons.

Fennica, that is just shows how you spread lie.
So, a British embassy worker was not beaten? Estonian embassy and it's staff was not harassed? Sweden embassy car was not attacked at all? Diplomats of forgein lands can trust that they are not threated in any way in Russia?

One of the Cyber attacker has come forth, and what do you know, he's a Nashi. Kreml has stated that they have nothing to do with the attacks, yet computers from Kreml were used. Hmmm. I cannot post the link, for the language is somewhat wrong for you to understand.
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After the US have created the OTPOR in Serbia, KHMARA in Georgia, PORA in Ukraine - the organizations which assaulted the state structures, threatened the Constitutional Courts and violently changed the regimes in the countries far off thousands miles from the US - is it too wondering, that in our country is created the umbrella organization for the state goals?
U.S. field of influence clashes with yours. I will not decide on the matter yet, have to look into the organizations you posted.

By the way, have the Russians troops left Georgia yet? What about Ukraine?
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yet computers from Kreml were used
Do you really believe that?
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Do you really believe that?
Traces, dear, tracers. Will reveal the location and origin of the particular comp. so yes, I do. And it is no wonder, either.
I will not exclude to possibility that those particular machines were hijacked as zombie units, but it somehow seems unlikely.
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Have you seen those traces? And who told that?
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Have you seen those traces? And who told that?
No, dear, I do not work for IT buisness.
And I quite sure this helps little.Venäjän osallisuutta ei ole todistettu - HS.fi - Ulkomaat
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