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Nice sources. A blog and a xenophobic, anti-semistic ranter. If anything, it fits the image that Russia has in the rest of the world; seeing the russian reactions here, I can only think this image is generally justified, and that Kasparov's followers are the exception. I hope I'm wrong.
Seeing your reactions here, I can say that Russian fear of the west is justified. I read everyday articles on Russia in western press, and 90% of them are pure propaganda.

And where did you find anything anti-semitic?

1. Kasparov works on US's "non"-governmental organizations. - TRUE
2. Kasparov is Azerbaijanian jew, that moved to Russia from Baku in 1992 and now lives in London. - TRUE.
3. Kasparov collaborates with Nazi-Bolshevik Party which is forbidden in Russia - TRUE.
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Russians should respond for their crimes for Baltic states. Russian people always supported their dictators and the nationalistic politic of Kremlin and thats why they should respond for their support. They dont understand ant they even now dont want to understand Baltic states people pain for the crimes that did Kremlin regimes. And all Kremlin supporters characterize that they are full of antisemitic propoganda, they everywhere see only Jews and USA conspiracies, they dont want to think soberly, they only care about their imperialistic schemes.
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Russians should respond for their crimes for Baltic states. Russian people always supported their dictators and the nationalistic politic of Kremlin and thats why they should respond for their support. They dont understand ant they even now dont want to understand Baltic states people pain for the crimes that did Kremlin regimes. And all Kremlin supporters characterize that they are full of antisemitic propoganda, they everywhere see only Jews and USA conspiracies, they dont want to think soberly, they only care about their imperialistic schemes.
Oh, comon, your post is 100% propaganda!
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kanas, you are from Lithuania? You country was a constant aggressor on Russia!
From 15th to 17th Lithuania started wars and attacked Russia several times!
Your country was constant, wild and cruel barbarian aggressor on Russia!
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Seeing your reactions here, I can say that Russian fear of the west is justified. I read everyday articles on Russia in western press, and 90% of them are pure propaganda.

And where did you find anything anti-semitic?

1. Kasparov works on US's "non"-governmental organizations. - TRUE
2. Kasparov is Azerbaijanian jew, that moved to Russia from Baku in 1992 and now lives in London. - TRUE.
3. Kasparov collaborates with Nazi-Bolshevik Party which is forbidden in Russia - TRUE.
The fact that the religion of kasparov is used as an argument against him is a clear sign of anti-semitism. If you don't realize that this is antisemitic... I can't help you.

Also, I'm still waiting for trustable sources - that is, sources that don't feel a need to bash people for their origins, and if possible sources other than f***ing blogs.

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And all Kremlin supporters characterize that they are full of antisemitic propoganda, they everywhere see only Jews and USA conspiracies, they dont want to think soberly, they only care about their imperialistic schemes.
I don't know if is true for all russian people, but that's how they are portrayed around europe. And it is certainly your case, MilleVanille. Your signature says it clearly - the smilies seem to be here only to mock your assertion that "you love the truth".
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And remember, that Hitler considered Estonians as subhumans among Baltic Nations, because Estonians belong to Finno-Ugrik group. Hitler thought that Latvians and Lithuanians are arian, while Estonians are not arians. So according to Hitler, Estonians should be annihilated. Estonians (and Finns) should thank Soviets for liberation Europe from fascism, that they still live.
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And remember, that Hitler considered Estonians as subhumans among Baltic Nations, because Estonians belong to Finno-Ugrik group. Hitler thought that Latvians and Lithuanians are arian, while Estonians are not arians. So according to Hitler, Estonians should be annihilated. Estonians (and Finns) should thank Soviets for liberation Europe from fascism, that they still live.
Oh yeah, the soviet vulture stole the prey of the nazi lion. I bet estonians should be thankfull.


I'm still waiting for proofs of all your assertions regarding kasparov - so far you've only posted links to fascist sites, which I don't consider worthy of any consideration.

Oh, and do you think the russian nazi-commies are also funded by the USA? XD
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I'm still waiting for proofs of all your assertions regarding kasparov - so far you've only posted links to fascist sites, which I don't consider worthy of any consideration.
I don't want to do work for you, if you are so lazy to use Google.

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Oh, and do you think the russian nazi-commies are also funded by the USA?
Yes. Do you really think that USA did not finance those groups of chaos like Nazi-Bolshevic Party and Kasparov? Comon! Don't be idealist!

Don't you find interesting that your beloved "democrat" Kasparov officially collaborate with Nazi-Bolshevic Party. NBP has freely entered Kasparov's "Other Russia" group.

Don't you remember WHO financed Vlad Lenin and Leon Bronstein (Trotsky)?

USA want to bring pro-american groups into Russian government or at least to bring Russia into chaos.
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I don't want to do work for you, if you are so lazy to use Google.
Common ! That ridiculous

We have also such pro-russian commentators, who are financed Kremlin to talk everywhere about such things as you talk here, about JEWS and USA conspiracies about not guilty, good russians ant they always as you give such antisemitic links in internet forums and everywhere and so on.
So is ridiculous when russians try to name Baltic States as Nazi states, when they do own all these Nazi things and encourage nationally hate.
Thats why now Putin is comparable with Hitler and Putin's supporters with Nazis.

For us (Lithuania, Latvia, Estoina) soviets was same enemies as nazis. WW2 was not our war and it is not our victory.

It is no diferece for us how much of soviets or nazis died or who won. Our problem that their war machine rolled through our homes. We wanted only peace and independace and they both ignored this.

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Common ! That ridiculous

We have also such pro-russian commentators, who are financed Kremlin to talk everywhere about such things as you talk here, about JEWS and USA conspiracies about not guilty, good russians ant they always as you give such antisemitic links in internet forums and everywhere and so on.
So is ridiculous when russians try to name Baltic States as Nazi states, when they do own all these Nazi things and encourage nationally hate.
Thats why now Putin is comparable with Hitler and Putin's supporters with Nazis
Again you comment is 100% propaganda.

1. Where did you find antisemitic sources in my posts? Or the fact that Kasparov is azebaijanian jew means smth anti-semitic?

2. In Estonia citizenship of Russians was deleted, do you call that normal policy? This policy is in nazi style.
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And remember, that Hitler considered Estonians as subhumans among Baltic Nations, because Estonians belong to Finno-Ugrik group. Hitler thought that Latvians and Lithuanians are arian, while Estonians are not arians. So according to Hitler, Estonians should be annihilated. Estonians (and Finns) should thank Soviets for liberation Europe from fascism, that they still live.
The Russians in Estonia are in the same position as former colonial masters in other parts of the world - the French in Algeria, the British in Kenya and Zimbabwe, the Portuguese in Angola, the Turks in Cyprus and the Russians in the Baltic States. With the empire gone, they should either become good citizens of the country they now live in as a minority or move to the land of their ancestors. As for Commies and Nazis, Gedion, Stalin killed twice as many as Hitler and Mao murdered 70,000,000.
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This weekend was grim in Estonia.

Russian protestors destroyed Tallinns central as much as they could and robbed and looted wildly before police was finally able to calm things down using force.
These Russians living in Estonia were crossed because Estonians moved the "Bronze warrior" from central to nearby cemetary. The statue is a Soviet soldier, a monument for the "liberation" of Europe. It also is a reminder of 50 years of occupation.

Russia under Putin has had a goal to uphoald and improve living conditions of so-called "outer-Russians", meaning Russians living in other nations. People without connections to nation of Russia itself.
In other words, Russia seems to care little of the fact that nations having Russian minorities are independent.

In the wake of this night of commotion, Russians(Putin youngsters) protested against Estonia wearing Soviet uniforms and calling Estonians `Facists´.
Also, Russian parliament has called to serve "severe consequences" towards Estonia for their use of force against Russian demonstrators. (They pay no heed to the fact that these demonstrators broke everything they could)

There was a casualty. Young Russian. Estonians news stated that this young man was stabbed by other Russian, yet Russian news found that he was brutalized, beaten, by police and left to bleed to death while handcuffed.

Russian news ignore stabbing wounds, but it matters little, brother-Ryssä is not intrested in truth.

What to make of all this?

My view is that Russians conveniently leave out certain historical facts while trying to threat smaller nations near their borders, just like Soviets of old.
Soviet Russia oppressed, killed and humiliated the 3 Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia after illegally occupying them for 50 years... if someone is expecting any respect from these countries towards USSR's red army and its "heroes" after all of this, they should think it once over and take a deeper insight into this chapter of history.
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Also, I'm still waiting for trustable sources - that is, sources that don't feel a need to bash people for their origins, and if possible sources other than f***ing blogs.
May I help you?
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"Since 1990, the Center for Security Policy has recognized individuals for devoting their public careers to the defence of the United States and American values around the world. Those extraordinary individuals are the Keepers of the Flame."[1]
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1991 - Garry Kasparov, World Chess Champion
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1998 - Donald H. Rumsfeld, former and future Secretary of Defense
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2003 - Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense and the Liberators of Iraq
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...Garry Kasparov, World Chess Champion and President of Kasparov Consultancy ...
I wonder, why didn't they send Rumsfeld to kindle the anti-Putin riot on the streets of Moscow?
Some Vice Adm. William Houser, USN (Ret.), former Vice Chief of Naval Operations for Aviation would suit too - in the least he could professionaly organize the avia support for the revolution or the rafting of the revolutioners down the Moskva-river.

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I don't understand something, when Russia is removing old sign of communist era in its country it doesn't make a lot of noise, so why does it make so much noise in Estionia?


Is it the fear of loosing its past-influence?

Gazprom will stop deliver gaz to Estionia?
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As for Commies and Nazis, Gedion, Stalin killed twice as many as Hitler and Mao murdered 70,000,000.
I don't know your "reliable sources", probably american cold war propaganda books, but i studied this subject specially.

There were 3.8 millions people repressed during Stalin's times. 786 thousands - death sentences. 0.8 millions died in camps. Other returned after camps.

11m people (army) died in the war with Germany. About 16m people (civilians) were killed by Germans or died in German's death camps.
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