Nope. Because Estonia is removing not "old sign of communist era", but the sign of Saint War for Russia.

11 millions of Russian soldiers died in the battles against Germany.

16 millions civilians on the occupied were killed by Germans. Many women and female children were raped by Germans before death, many people were taken into slavery do German's camps, many people died because of starvation cos' Germans burnt out all food and sowing or in blockade of Leningrad.

WW2 is Saint War for Russians. This war cost Russians so much pain. As i said before, Estonia is removing not the sign of communism, but the sign of soldiers that laid there lives in the Saint War.

for us, baltians that monument is a symbol of terror, soviet occupation, murders. Our grandparents died in siberia for nothing, as many other baltians did....
that soldier came to kill us and destroy our nation. All that time we were slaves in our own country.
And dont talk about that stupid Saint war, that was only the pretext to occupy us. Russians could just leave us when they won the war, but they brougt us much bigger troubles. That was just one more imperialistic Kremlin plan.
And besides, Geneva Convention says it is illegal to build settlements on occupied territory. Russians always were uncivilized and they dont give a shit about the law, to them all means are legal for their imperialistic power big Russian.

What is Saint War?? War of religion now?

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Nazism and fascism are glorified in Estonia!

SS not die

It's a pity that fascism is still alive in Europe.

and it is a pity that there are people in Europe who would still wish to glorify communist Russian "liberators".

Also, to paint members of the 20.Waffen-Gr.Div. der SS as facists and Nazi is dishonest and historically ignorant. They were anti-communits fighting to liberate their country from Soviet occupation. Sadly, they picked a bad ally in the Nazis. Most of those pictures you provided were not SS rallies, but memorial services to the dead.

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Pure Soviet propaganda. Many civilians did die in the east, that is correct. However, many of them were victims of the scorched earth policies of Stalin. He wanted to leave nothing the Germans could use. Add to that the fact that most of the Ukraine was still starving anyways, and you have many deaths. Also, many of those civilians were simply caught in the middle of battles, i.e. Leningrad, Stalingrad.

Also, could you provide a source that shows the Germans commited rape on a mass scale? If any military in WW2 is guilty of that, it is the Red Army.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

I believe we have a miss translation happening here. MilleVanille, do you mean the Great Patriotic War?

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

It is a pity that there are still people who justify crimes of Nazi German Fascists by "the struggle against communism".

It is a pity that there are people who justify deaths of 11 millions of Soviet soldiers + 16 millions of Soviet civilians, murdered by Nazi Germans - by the cruelest and wildest barbarians the world ever seen.

I am not trying to justify anything. I am simply pointing out that there were many factors in the death of all those civilians, and that to lay the blame solely at the feet of Germany is historically dishonest.

So, the Germans were responsible for all those deaths? Is that honestly what they teach in Russia?

EDIT: I mean, if we are going to cite nations acting cruel and wild barbarians, should we also get into the war crimes committed by Soviet forces at the end of WW2?

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

In those times we treated the fascists of any nationality or origins very badly, you are right. Not only Estonian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Russian Nazi collaborants suffered - had we cought a Patagonian who weared the SS uniform or signs - he'd definitely gotten a new home in Siberia, you bet.
I really regret about your personal grandparents, but understand our point too. The raiding massacres in the Belorussian villages on the occupied lands is not nice, not to mention the Judenfrei issues. The soldiers of Wehrmacht, who risked their asses in the open battles against our army, despised those Himmler's made detachments of hangmen themselves fairly.
This part of your message tells me definitely, that either you never lived in the Baltic republics of the USSR period, or you are teenager.

Kind of hard debat to know who was the worst between Hitler and Stalin...

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indeed. Both give plenty examples of barbarity.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

With wikipedia and some completely unknown site? No thanks. Besides, all sources show that Kasparov's "evil pro-american group" has actually nothing to do with the american government and has proven to be a critic of administration from both parties. Anyway, you've shown that you're
#1 Unable to back your claims
#2 Blinded by ultra-nationalism
#3 In denial regarding your contry's war-crimes and other crimes

So there's no use in going on with this discussion or any other in the future.

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How naive or blind you are!

Yes, Nazi-Bolshevik Party is a constant critic of US's government. Just as Bolsheviks! Remember, that Lenin was sponsored by German Government and Leon Bronstein (Trotsky) was sponsored by Americans.

The goal of American government is to bring chaos in Russia. It will be much easier to get Russian natural resources in the chaos, like it were in 90s.

How can you explain the fact that your beloved "democrat" Kasparov collaborating with Nazi-Bolshevik Party?

Nazi-Bolshevik Party is forbidden in Russia, that's why NBP + Kasparov demonstration in Moscow was stopped.

Now you are comparing National Socialism to Communism? They are apples and oranges man. Hell, the Nazis made their name early on by fighting communists. Also, the German government sponsored Lenin because he said he would get Russia out of the war, not because they had any sympathy for communism. Nazi-Bolshevik, please....

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.