"Teaching" about War is in the US. In Russia we simply listen to our relatives. I don't need any f..king Oxford historian, who watched the "Enemy at the gates" and will honestly tell me the truth about barbarism of my grandgarandfather, because the civilized kulturtregers from Europe came to our village, and have torn the nails on the hands of my grandgrandfather, broken him all ribs and saved a bullet him to die slowly - he was about sixty then. O, yeah, I remember one good trait of the European cultural traditions - as the house was silently torched on the special command one winter morning while everybody slept in, one young soldier shouted (he took provisions there few days before) and they jumped out the flame in the last moment. Children died in the frost.
You may tell us that it was Stalin, who devastated our lands and killed the people, fancy thrillers about bloody commissars shooting millions, anything that is suitable for you to believe in. But I don't recommend you to do so even occasionally during the visit here, cause I couldn't guarantee the safety of your spectacles in that case.
As for solely German role - you can relax, because 13 European countries participated in the Crusade, which was blessed by Vatican and personally the Pope, while others cheerfully cleansed the jews and produced the weapons and supply for the brave legions crashing barbarians in the East.
Sure. But that will be very harmful for the image of supreme European identity, without too great damage to image of Russians whom you consider untermenschen in either case. Besides that the Dresden massacre easily overlap the worst politically motivated slander of the Cold War era and exaggerrated facts regarding Red Army - this can only worsen the Atlantic unity.

Oleg,

I am not trying to claim Germans were not guilty of any crimes. Nor am I trying to discount what your relatives said. The simple fact of the matter is that those 16 million deaths were not solely brought about by Germans or their allies. The Soviet government had a big hand in causing them as well. Oh, and no worries, I wouldn't bring that up if I ever visited your country. I understand the thought police would likely beat me, like they would anyone who challenged their warped view of history.

Also, where did I say Russians were untermenschen?

The attrocities by the Red Army at the end of the war are documented quite thoroughly, and backed up by first hand accounts. For further reading, I recommend A Terrible Revenge: The Ethnic Cleansing of the East European Germans.

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1. I pushed no claims to back, I just offered a links everyone is free to ponder.
2. What is my nationality, I wonder to know?
3. War-crimes and crimes term at all might be applied to the personalities or political regime. I doubt you are French, but the "crimes of France" would sound freaky everythere, yellow-paged media level for cheap bashing.
Indeed, that is the best solution for you, monseur Judge and Jury. Few more posts and your credibility will drop to the level of those users whose abilities never stride over the labeling the opponent as "not-worthy", "blinded" and so on)

Wrong. The police will try to save you, as it did about hochgeehrten Herr Beck, bundesparliamentary, who got a proper punch from some passer-by woman, as he attempted to desacrify the Everlasting Flame monument in Moscow last spring.
I didn't say "you say". I said "you consider". Don't answer me anything. Just lean back right now for a second and look inside of yourself. As nobody will know that, be fair.

He tried to put out the flame? That is messed up. However, I would still keep my mouth shut if I visited. Can't go around speaking historicall truth instead of historical propaganda.

So, why do you think I consider Russians untermenschen? I never claimed I did, nor have I spoken ill of anyone for being Russian. I guess if I speak ill of warped Russian history I must be racist against them. I have no need to look inside myself, as I am quite secure in my moral base and historical fact.

Also, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post. Guess the truth can be painful....

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Beck was attacked by a bunch of anti-gay protesters during a TV interview he gave along a gay-rights demonstration in Moscow. And the police stood right beside it and did nothing about it. The footage was all over the news, at least in Germany.

Evening, I'll try to remain polite.

From Blatic nations, many signed up to fight against Soviets. Not because they were nazies, but because they hated Soviets who had assaulted and invaded their homes.
We fought alongside Germans to gain back lands stolen by the Soviets.

At that time, Germany considered us as "Brother-tribes"(Finno-Ugrics), and told that we would be allowed to keep to ourselves and that they would have no demands after war. <--That was better than what Soviets had it for us.

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Russian Duuma has just demanded Estonian Goverment to resign.

Wonder why I feel that Soviets of the old are back.. Estonia being an independent nation and Russia having absolutely zero to demand from them.

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Many questions are still unanswered.

What happened to old Estonian statues when Soviet Union occupied Estonia?

By what grounds do Russians interfere with internal matters of independent nation?

Under what rights do Russians demand the liberations of the rioters?

Why did Russian media lie about the death of Russian young (not Estonian, not Estonian-Russian)?

How does moving a statue of Soviet soldier to a nearby cemetary equal Fasistic order?

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What I find a bit unsettling is that fact that Putin is getting Russia involved on behalf of the ethnic Russians in Estonia. Hitler did the same thing to justify many of his moves (Sudetanland anyone?).

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Stop perverting facts. Not Russian Duma, but some deputies from Russian Duma, that came to Estonia to investigate circumstances.

Your link is taken to consideration. Don't be too hasty in judging another people, as IXX.

That was just in the news, genious.

Of course I know about the delegation, which came in calling demands left and right. That was in the news yesturday, that delegation would visit Estonia.

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Interfere? I don't see actually Russian tanks in Estonia. People in Russia can freely react on every event in the world. Freedom of speech.

Russians can freely demand to liberate anyone anywhere. Freedom of speech.

I doubt that you can read and understand Russian. There were no lie about it. However, circumstances of his death are very confusing. The killer is still not found. And this boy was not drunken.

The information that statue of Soviet soldier will be moved and not to destroyed, was published only several days after the statue was taken off from its original place. Before that the statue was hiodden by the government somewhere.

Good reason, no doubt. But why I am conserned is that it is not the people, but the very nation which gives these sort of statements.

No, I cannot read or write kyrilian. Only some Eastern Finns learn that so they can service Russian tourists.

THere were two paraller news about it here. One was the event itself, and then there was what Itar Tass(?) had stated.
In the news from Estonia(and from Finns, since we have/had tons of reporters there) young Russian was stabbed to death in the midst of the riot. Itar Tass however claimed that younster died after beaten by police and was left to bleed handcuffed to a pole.

Oh?
Well we knew it...say more than four days ago? I read from several news that the satue will be moved to a cemetary.

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