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Old 04-30-2007
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That was just in the news, genious.
That's a lie. Duma don't work yesterday, today and tomorrow (29, 30 April and 1 May), cos' it is holiday In Russia.
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That's a lie. Duma don't work yesterday, today and tomorrow (29, 30 April and 1 May), cos' it is holiday In Russia.
Jup, the headline has changed also.
Now it say that: "Delegation sent by Russian Duuma, which arrived to Estonia on monday...
True.

Here's the link, I know it helps you little, but there's a pic of the new site of the statue.MSN Uutiset
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And it also gives a good idea of the Russian behaviour around Estonia embassy. That's not only sad, but unforgivable.
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Many questions are still unanswered.

What happened to old Estonian statues when Soviet Union occupied Estonia?
They had twenty three years for creating Estonian statues before Stalin took back what Lenin's given away. It's interesting question - how many statues did they manage to create in that period. I hope you understand that all other really old statues were built in Tsar's Russia, where these lands were province at least 300 years. Notwithstanding on that their fate is either unclear.
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Why did Russian media lie about the death of Russian young (not Estonian, not Estonian-Russian)?
Estonian police hides the body and doesn't leave relatives to visit and survey it for vague and unconfident reasons. All that makes the situation suspicious about police. We all were watching the Euronews, so it's easy to imagine what happened. When police is hurling and tramping the bodies of demonstrants like that, it could have been a spike of the metal fence or something.
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Im completely with the Russians on the Estonia thing. It is time Estonia starts looking at the future and stops treating them like second rate citizens. The rage on Russian side is completely understandable.

About things happening in Russia itself: I don't see an easy way out of this. Putin should stop oppressing the opposition, the press and only use force when democracy itself is at stake. It seems to me he cares more about protecting his own position than democracy. I dont care if russia become socialistic again - as long as democracy gives the people the power to vote for what they want.
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That's not my words (that's an opinion of the guy from UK), but very close to my opinion.

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I am absolutely amassed and frankly appalled, about how much attention was given to Kasparov rally with enthuses on police brutality, etc, etc, - and how little attention was paid to police brutality and nationalistic abuse in this video.

What is wrong with you people? Have you totally lost your sight and intelligence?
Kasparov rally was totally staged, and the outcome was exactly how Kasparov planed it to be. For god sake, - the “protestors” were covering themselves with KETCHUP to fake their injuries, and purposely, with an agenda, provoking the police to take action. How many injuries documented injuries were there during the Kasparov Rally? And how many injuries were there during the Estonian protests - one man was killed, 153 people were injured.

I don’t really blame people from the West for taking Estonian side on this issue. But I do blame western media, for not reporting objectively on this issue for twisted political reasons. Where are the cries of outrage? Where are the cries of Police Brutality? Where are the cries of oppression on ethnic minorities?

I am, frankly surprised that so many people on this sight actually totally believe what is written in the western press. Come on, you are not sheep, you should always question what you read in any press, and look for the true answer. It amasses me that having internet people still choose to believe “western” and in particular “US” media.

Just when I though UK was telling lies, I look at what is written in the US press and it seems to me that Cold War is back.

To all the people, who still belive US media, - you are trully ignorant, and frankly morons without any reason!!

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Watch the video - that's how police jail and beat protesters
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And latest things regarding this matter;
Russian Miliis allowes protestors to attack against Estonian embassy, which has been sieged by "youth organisations".
Russians hold no respect towards diplomatic immunity, as Esonian embassy cannot work and diplomats are suffering from physical attacks(latest involved gas-attack). How does our Russians explain these events?
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And latest things regarding this matter;
Russian Miliis allowes protestors to attack against Estonian embassy, which has been sieged by "youth organisations".
Russians hold no respect towards diplomatic immunity, as Esonian embassy cannot work and diplomats are suffering from physical attacks(latest involved gas-attack). How does our Russians explain these events?
because the estionians are the bad guys here.
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because the estionians are the bad guys here.
Amusing. In that, we have a fundamental difference.
Do I think Estonians did things the smart way? No.
Do I think Russians have absolutely anything to say in the matter? No.
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Amusing. In that, we have a fundamental difference.
Do I think Estonians did things the smart way? No.
Do I think Russians have absolutely anything to say in the matter? No.
So, hypothetically, if people in a Finnish region in Russian territory are not able to found finnish schools, you think that the Finnish would have absolutely nothing to say in the matter?

The russians are excellent at discrimination, I know. But in this case the Estonians are definately the oppressors.
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Ļšąāīńėąāķūå Ńāčķüč ā Åāšīļå
russians dont like as very unhappy because of monument
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Fennica, would you please translate this article for us: Iltalehti.fi | Uutiset | 01.05.2007 | Virolaispoliisien rajut otteet



That's how Estonian police beat all passers-by. This guys are from Germany and they were beaten by "democratic" Estonians.

Nazism and apartheid in Estonia experience revival. Russians can't get job, they were forbidden to take citizenship, even if they were born and lived all their life in Estonia. They are beaten and imprisoned by Estonian police.

kanas, the article you gave is the translation of article, published in Estonian press. It is called "Orthodoxal pigs in Europe". Orthodoxy is the Russian brunch of Christianity. Just another prove that Fascism and apartheid in Estonia is on rise. The person who published this article is Sergey Melnikov, photographer, who was condemned to prison in USSR times for the child porn. He call himself "dissident" and moved to US.

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And latest things regarding this matter;
Russian Miliis allowes protestors to attack against Estonian embassy, which has been sieged by "youth organisations".
Russians hold no respect towards diplomatic immunity, as Esonian embassy cannot work and diplomats are suffering from physical attacks(latest involved gas-attack). How does our Russians explain these events?
I don't know why you are perverting facts again.
The gas was used not by "youth organization", but by Estonian embassy's side.

Also Estonians used gas on demonstrants in Estonia.

Maybe by using gas Estonians want to remind of Nazi gas cameras (gazen-wagen).
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So, hypothetically, if people in a Finnish region in Russian territory are not able to found finnish schools, you think that the Finnish would have absolutely nothing to say in the matter?

The russians are excellent at discrimination, I know. But in this case the Estonians are definately the oppressors.
But this situation isn't about the Russian minority building schools, it is about Estonia moving a statue. In this case, Russia has absolutly zero say.

Even if this was about Russians in Estonia not being able to build schools it still wouldn't be any of Russia's business. Remember, Hitler used the same logic with the Sudetenland Germans and other volksdeutche. Sounds like Russia is doing the same thing, except instead of "fellow Germans" we have "fellow Russians".
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Actually it is not only Estonia's situation.

Fascism and Nazism cost the lives of 100 millions people in Europe. That's why society must be attentive to all tries of the revival of fascism and nazism.

And fascism is not comparable with Stalin's repressions, cos' Stalin repressed 3.7 millions of people, 0.8 millions of them were sentenced to death, 0.5 millions died in camps (because of different reasons). Others have returned to home or were rehabilitated.
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