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Old 05-03-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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Actually it is not only Estonia's situation.

Fascism and Nazism cost the lives of 100 millions people in Europe. That's why society must be attentive to all tries of the revival of fascism and nazism.

And fascism is not comparable with Stalin's repressions, cos' Stalin repressed 3.7 millions of people, 0.8 millions of them were sentenced to death, 0.5 millions died in camps (because of different reasons). Others have returned to home or were rehabilitated.
So basically you're saying that stalin wasnt really that bad because he killed less people then all of the fascist dictators together. I disagree strongly but more importantly: what does this have to do with the topic?
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Old 05-03-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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So basically you're saying that stalin wasnt really that bad because he killed less people then all of the fascist dictators together. I disagree strongly but more importantly: what does this have to do with the topic?
I want to say, that Hitler and Stalin are not the same. They are incomparable. It is impossible to compare apple and orange, and it's impossible to compare Stalin and Hitler.
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Old 05-03-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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So, hypothetically, if people in a Finnish region in Russian territory are not able to found finnish schools, you think that the Finnish would have absolutely nothing to say in the matter?

The russians are excellent at discrimination, I know. But in this case the Estonians are definately the oppressors.
Thor already answered in full, and I agree with him, but as you asked me I point out that what you suggested is impossible scenario, because Russians will not suffer other languages to be taught in Federation area save their own. And because all Finns fled before Russians stole their lands.
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Fennica, would you please translate this article for us: Iltalehti.fi | Uutiset | 01.05.2007 | Virolaispoliisien rajut otteet
Would you like me to translate it in full, or just main pointers from it? It's about two Germans, father(67) and his son(37) getting beaten by the police in the night of Russian riots. They live in Tallinn permanetly.

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That's how Estonian police beat all passers-by. This guys are from Germany and they were beaten by "democratic" Estonians.
Rrrright. You are Russian all right. They got beaten badly, but I find it hard to believe that Estonian police beated all pass-byers. In fact, when Russians began looting, people of Tallinn got tex-messages where officals informed of the riot and pleaded people not to get provoked and asked them to stay indoors.

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Nazism and apartheid in Estonia experience revival.
How does Russians make the assuption that facism has anything to do with Estonia?

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Russians can't get job, they were forbidden to take citizenship, even if they were born and lived all their life in Estonia.
When Estonia had bloodless leave from Soviet Union, many Russians did not want Estonian passport. Can't say why, ask them. Now Russians in Estonia must pass language test to gain passport and citizenship. Problem is that Russians refuse to learn Estonian. "This all belongs to us!" "We take it all back!" Was Russian slogans in that night.

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They are beaten and imprisoned by Estonian police.
After they resulted in violence, threats and looting.

Majority of Russians in Estonia came to Estonia in the 60s and 70s(fact), now they have a hard time adjusting to the fact that they should either learn language or leave.
Why shouldn't they go back to Russia?

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kanas, the article you gave is the translation of article, published in Estonian press. It is called "Orthodoxal pigs in Europe". Orthodoxy is the Russian brunch of Christianity. Just another prove that Fascism and apartheid in Estonia is on rise.
I fail to see any fasistic aspect in actions of Estonia, but same thing I cannot say from Russians actions.

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The person who published this article is Sergey Melnikov, photographer, who was condemned to prison in USSR times for the child porn. He call himself "dissident" and moved to US.
I could point out that Russians find faults in people they want to get rid of. Jukos coming to mind..
But this man is unfamiliar to me, so I'll pass.
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I don't know why you are perverting facts again.
Shame that you actually do not know about this. Estonian diplomat got attacked.

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The gas was used not by "youth organization", but by Estonian embassy's side.
Let me correct this one to all of you;

Miliisi, usually dealing all manner of demonstrators with exess force and swiftness, has done nothing to the youth-organization laying siege to the Estonian Embassy in Moscow.
As these youngs stormed inside, security people of the Embassy itself used pepper-gas against most violent of the assaulters.
Miliisi did nothing to stop protestors and thus allowed diplomatic immunity to suffer another blow.
By allowing these youngs to stone windows, attack diplomats, prevent Embassy to operate, allow Estonian diplomat to be attacked, Russia has shown what they feel about diplomatic immunity.

Cars of Estonian diplomats suffered attacks, Miliisi did nothing.

Swedish diplomat car was attacked, miliisi did nothing.

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Also Estonians used gas on demonstrants in Estonia.

Maybe by using gas Estonians want to remind of Nazi gas cameras (gazen-wagen).
Demonstrators were having a riot. a Violent one.
And yet again Russian blame of Fasism, without any backing. Your nation is acting more fasistic than any other.
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

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Miliisi, usually dealing all manner of demonstrators with exess force and swiftness, has done nothing to the youth-organization laying siege to the Estonian Embassy in Moscow.
As these youngs stormed inside, security people of the Embassy itself used pepper-gas against most violent of the assaulters.
Miliisi did nothing to stop protestors and thus allowed diplomatic immunity to suffer another blow.
By allowing these youngs to stone windows, attack diplomats, prevent Embassy to operate, allow Estonian diplomat to be attacked, Russia has shown what they feel about diplomatic immunity.
Perverting again. Gas has never been used near Embassy. It was used in the press-center by Estonia's side. And the youth-organization did not attack Estonian Embassy or diplomats. Or protests is the same thing as attack for you?

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Demonstrators were having a riot. a Violent one.
And yet again Russian blame of Fasism, without any backing. Your nation is acting more fasistic than any other.
You judge as a Fascists, who say that jew as a person is responsible for crimes of people of jewish nationality. You didn't even notice that you have stood on the Fascistic position. My congratulations.
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...to the youth-organization laying siege to the Estonian Embassy in Moscow.
As these youngs stormed inside, security people of the Embassy itself used pepper-gas against most violent of the assaulters.
The youngs stormed into the press-center of the local media-paper "Arguments and Facts", not into the Embassy. That was your very shameful and uncareful attempt to slander Russia, would-be breaking the main diplomatic regulations. One more accident of that sort in the forum, and your rating of credibility will hit the Kanases' one from above in it's free falling.
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Old 05-04-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

That's how democratic and peaceful Estonian police deal with cruel drunken communistic barbaric Russians:



















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Old 05-05-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

enough Kremlin propoganda.
Here images about "peaceful" russians in Talin

Laikas.lt :: Perirti tem - Apie Estijos riaues su humoru
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Translation: NO ESTONIANS AND NO DOGS ALLOWED
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Old 05-07-2007
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Translation: NO ESTONIANS AND NO DOGS ALLOWED
Such notes in Russia remind recently events, pogroms and racist potshots in Georgia. And all that remind Nazi - Germany before WW2.

ru_politics: Фашизм - это когда уроды мешают жить нормальным людям
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Old 05-07-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

Again yesterday two tadjiks were killed during the racist hit in Moscow

In Moscow suburbs two Tadjiks are killed
Ethnic violence is becoming widespread in Moscow
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...e-344242.html?
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Old 05-07-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

YouTube - Putin confession Estonia Esstonia Ansip Anssip Russia naši
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

haha now that is the kind of propaganda i like
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Old 05-07-2007
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Re: Protesters, police clash in Russia

kanas, all you post here is pure propaganda.

No facts, false baseless conclusions, the game on emotions, humiliating - that is typical features of propaganda, and that's what you post here.

kanas, you have shown your level. We don't need your propaganda. And yes, eSStonia is practicing apartheid and oppression on ethnic minorities.
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