It would be fun, but it is not enough . Unfortunately.

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So ?
This is my point. He realised that his only chance to be heard during this campaign was to differenciate himself from the others, just like Fabius did with his no to the european consitution.
Bayrou and the deputies from the UDF were elected with voices belonging to people from the (moderate) right 5 years ago. Don't you think these people feel a bit betrayed today, when they see Bayrou winking towards the left like he is doing ?

Yes, to me he is an opportunist, whose only interest is his political career (like many others BTW), and I think his new party won't last for long.
I like the idea of taking the best from both sides, but this has to come from someone new in the political life, not from someone who has always belonged to a political family which he is denying now.

Sorry, I really hate his attitude...

What's the purpose of UDF if it's to always agree to UMP? UDF is not an annex of UMP

UDF had to solutions: either dissolve it and join fully UMP or tend to the center which is the purpose of UDF...

Actually, 18%, there is a demand of a centrist party, so why not creating a real centrist party?

Le paysage politique n'est plus le meme qu'avant, si l'UDF etait un partie de droite qui avant a tendance a tendre sur le centre... ca ne peut plus etre le cas aujourd'hui

L'UMP tend vers l'extreme droite, le PS tend vers l'extreme gauche...

Et pourquoi? Parce que Sarko et Sego sont autant opportuniste que Bayrou l'est, ils essayent de ramasser des voix sur leur extremes afin d'etre elu... Ce qui laisse un boulevard libre pour un parti centriste, de fait, Sarko et Sego ont en quelque sorte aider Bayrou.

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I don't think so. He never changed his programme ... He says the same thing now as he has said in 2002.

The difference is that :
1) the division of the Socialist party has now become crystal clear
2) Sarkosy is not popular amongst the moderate right

This has brought him a lot of new voters.

I also think that this success is fragile. Its continuation will depend on the success of the UMP IMO and if he gives a true social-democratic face to his party.

To finish with : there are more similarities in opinion between the moderate right and the right of the Socialist party than between the moderate right and the Sarkozy right.
I have a foot in both - economically I consider myself right, yet do not agree with Sarkozy when he wants to suppress l'impôt sur la succession - sorry don't know the English - or wants to increase VAT. And because socially I consider myself to be left in the major issues, I will never support a politician who has the gut to say that suicide amongst teenagers is genetic.

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Of course not, I never said something like this. I talked about belonging to the right, not to a party. There are different sensibilities in the right (as in the left BTW)
UDF has always been a center party, from VGE to Bayrou, nothing new here
How so ?
Sorry, I disagree with you, for both the UMP and the PS.
The UMP belongs to the traditional right like RPR was before. The fact that a lot of people who voted for Le Pen in 2002 gave their vote to Sarko doesn't change anything. Actually today FN's score id closer to the reality than in 2002.
As for the PS, if you compare with Miterrand and Moroy (1981-1983), Sego is unquestionably more on the right side of the left.

I think that what helped Bayrou the more is his systematic opposition to the necessary and unpopular reforms the 2 governments since 2002 tried to achieve.
A very smart attitude from a political stance, but again very opportunistic

Guess who was the last one to have this kind of Ideas, you know the :

klill the homosexual, the black, the communist, the foreigners etc etc ?


No, really, I don't think it's funny , it's just another stupid caricarture from the far left....


Dès fois, quand je regarde ce qui se passe en France durant cette campagne électorale, je me demande si toute la France n'est pas passée subitement à l'extreme gauche tant les arguments avancés pour aller contre Sarkozy sont ridicules et bas (pas toujours, certains sont justifiés)

En ce moment, c'est pitoyable....



Mais ce qui m'étonne par dessus tout! c'est que je ne vois pas de personnalités du PS ou même du centre s'indigner devant cette campagne anti-Sarkozy qu'on a jamais vu auparavent et qu'on peut qualifier de calomnieuse (et encore je mache mes mots )

LOL, sorry - the poster is right then ?

Without all these leftists, everything would be possible.

Sorry, it is just making fun of the way Sarkozy is leading his campaign - He is swearing that he wants to UNITE the Nation - "tous ensemble""

But all the people listed on the poster are left out or, at least, feel they are left out. As for the Arabs and the Blacks, remember that Sarkozy got a good score also because he succeeded in getting all of Lepen potential supporters

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Me too
L'impot sur la succession ? Well, this is a very unpopular tax, as en example I hate the idea to have to sell the family house because I don't have the money to pay the succession tax. But to be honest I'm not very aware of how it works, so I don't really have an opinion.
Really, did I miss something ?? Hum, I agree, I don't like this. I'll have to check
I consider myself to be right in the majority of the issues, but I liked some ideas from the left, like the PACS, I and would also fully support the homosexual mariage.
The suicide/genetic issue was stupid and very clumsy, I agree

Come on...

Sarkozy stealling main ideas of le pen: immigration, national identity
Sego stealling ideas of nationalisation, mother state, etc... from fat left

Who is left being moderated? Bayrou, the problem is that his party is seen as a right wing party moderated, don't have a lot of credibility as real centrist party, that is why Bayrou came with the idea of a new party during the campaign, for a real centrist party

le paysage politique francais est en train de changer serieusement, les extremes ont donnes leur voix a l'UMP et PS, et du fait le l'UDF ou partie democrate maintenant a un boulevard libre ou lui peu reprendre des voix a l'UMP et PS

En quelques sorte, c'est ce que voulaient les francais, il y a 5 Jospin a ete elimine parce que les gens ne faisaient pas la difference entre le PS et l'UMP, du coup chacun c'est radicalise un peu plus pour reseduire les electeurs en s'eloigant du centre(moderer), du coup la voie est libre pour un vrai parti centriste

ahlala quelle analyse de tonnerre, ca coule de source en plus

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I agree with your analysis

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Je ne dirais qu'une chose! Tu es brillant!

Et c'est pas pour rire.

I don't think that immigration matters are the monopoly of Le Pen's party, I think taking care of immigration should be part of any political program

Didn't Ségolène radicalize herself on security issues in her campaign ? So is she also stealing Le Pen ideas ?

Things are not that simple

Is right to think he can compare Sarkozy to Hitler or something like this ? indeed ?

Tu perds la tête en faisant de la réthorique sucre ! (c'est une boutade ! )



It wasn't my message. My message is the following. How it is possible that the french people let the far left do what they do ! ?

Honnetement, on parle de l'UMP, l'UMP qui a beaucoup de partisan en France, qui a lui même en son seing des gens qui se battent tous les jours pour la démocratie, pour la liberté de la presse et tout un tas de chose. Cependant ca n'empeche pas l'extreme gauche de tenir des propos calomnieux qui laissent absolument indifférent toute la population .... je suis ebahi


lol
this argument is not good and it's wrong. Who gave to the muslim a real representation in the state ? who said Sarkozy disliked the black people ? I really would like to know ? even if I know the answer (something like FAR LEFT). Who said Sarkozy disliked the gay ? again, the same. He wants to give them a civil alliance! it's not a wedding, but it's a beginning. Is he free to have an advice on something ? or does he have to act as a left wing to be seen as a normal people?

Regardons si tu veux bien d'un peu plus près ce que tu dis sur le FN.

Resultat élection 2002
Resultat élection 2007

Sarkozy = 11 448 663
Le Pen 2002 =4 804 713 - Le pen 2007 = 3 834 530
Segolène = 9 500 112

Bon alors, pour toi, tu conclues que Sarkozy a eu un large succès grave aux voix FN. qu'il les as récupéré ? ben moi je dit que non, moi je dit qu'il a tout simplement récupéré les voix qu'ils leur faisaient défaut auparavent. C'est à dire 1 millions de voix et non pas 4 ou je ne sais quel autre chiffre abhérant. Ca me fait doucement sourire cet approche très partisane d'ailleurs que l'extreme gauche nous rabache.
Même sans le vote de ces gens là (quoi sont bien evidement pas tous racistes et qui sont loin d'avoir Le Pen comme modèle) Sarkozy serait loin devant.

Comment aussi ne pas se rapeller de l'exemple Besson pourtant au PS qui n'a pas été exclu de l'UMP, ni même Tapis, ni même Hanin, ni même Enrico Massias! ils sont pourtant tous de gauche!
Ils disent que c'est inadmissible de traiter avec le FN ! je confirme, mais en quel honneur devrions nous composer avec l'extreme gauche qui est à mon avis tout aussi dangereuse ?


Franchement, ce genre de blague moi ne me font pas rire. Mais ca ne me fait pas rire, pas parce que on attaque Sarkozy! ca ne me fait pas rire parce qu'a force ca finit par laver le cerveau même des plus brillants et ne t'y trompe pas ce raisonnement serait valable si demain le FN se lancait dans une campagne de calomnie contre segolène royale. D'ailleurs tu ne trouverai sans doute pas ca très drole. Pourquoi d'ailleurs ? ben parce que tu es a mon avis bien plus consciente du danger que peut representer le FN que tu ne l'est avec les communistes.

Mais qu'est ce que les français croient ? le communisme c'est la tyrannie au bout du tunnel! c'est pareil que le FN !

Socialists are never a reasonable choice and therefore i hope Sarkozy wins.

@Anselme: I don't fully agree with your analysis. It seems to me that the two main parties didn't really go to extremes in their respective camps. Rather, they both went further to the right. But each of them is more radical, not by going to political extremes, but by wanting to implement huge programs (between 50 and 65 Billion €).

On the other hand, Bayrou had a very small program (3 Billion €); he was planning to reduce the size of the state, but also to let the people find a middle ground on each issue. I think that the reason why people voted for him is not so much his place on the political spectrum than his moderation. But it's very tempting to equate moderation with being at the center, especially when Bayrou is, indeed, at the center. But it would be possible to have a moderate communist or extreme right candidate: such candidates would say that they support their extreme ideologies, but would be planning to only act when a majority of the people support their actions rather than using their temporary authority.

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