Now, I am not the biggest fan of Tom Cruise; I think he is just this side of fucking nuts. However, I think this is a pretty dumb move on Germany's part. Not letting someone shoot a film because the star/producer is a Scientologist? Fucking stupid. Islam has given the world much more to be afraid of, IMO. Are they going to ban the shooting of films that have Muslims in the cast too?

Germany bans Cruise film shoot | Entertainment | Reuters

As a side note, I find the uber-praise of Stauffenberg a bit funny. Props to the guy for trying to take out Hitler, but the guy was a die hard nationalist and while he was opposed to the treatment of Jews he was also not a fan. Something they don't really teach in schools.

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Germany really has not learned much since WWII.

Germany has not learned much at all...

Actually the movie is currently being filmed in Berlin. Apperently they were allowed to close down whole streets in the center of Berlin ... so it can't be that bad. I wonder how many Hollyood movies have been filmed inside the real Pentagon.

Thats more than just a bit hillarious.

Apart from the fact that the small argument for that huge claim you use is not correct either, as Tom Cruise is actually working in Berlin on the film.

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Some freedom...

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Germany imposes ban on Tom Cruise

The reality is Germany and much of the EU are quite fascistic but because they oppress people in a civilised manner; the EU sheeple do not view the oppression as oppression.

Germany has discriminated against this man for his religious affiliation which is forbidden under international human rights standards. Just because Germany is fascistic for the cause of political correctness instead of racial science does not make them less fascistic. They have just repackaged it and made it kinder and gentler...

He is banned from entering military sites.
What an amazing scandal... wow...

I mean when I just consider how easy it is for foreign filming crews to film inside of US army sites.

Face it, there is no right to enter all military bases you want to. Not in the US and not in Europe.


Apart from this, Scientology is no official religion in Germany. And it isn't for a good reason. It committed quite a number of proven criminal acts all around the world already, there are enough stories of abuses of members and psychological warfare against what itself considers enemies. If I remember correctly Scientology was already involved in the putsh in a poorer country once and it sets itself very political goals of taking over the power in the world, also in Germany.
But the most important point why Scientology failed to acquire the status as religion. If it would be one, why does it have to be that extremely and irrationally expensive for its members who want to act as good Scientologists?
Scientology has to choose, and thats the rule for all, either it wants to make lots of money out of the people, or it wants to be a religion. Both won't be possible here. It shall not complain if it doesnt get both at the same time.

Everyone who claims that Germany just repackaged its Nazi/fascism makes himself hillarious. Thats my point of view. There is today hardly a country that qualifies less to that accusation, apart from a tiny minority. (Funny how the Neonazis now demand the loudest those rights they would abolish first when being at power)

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Scientology sucks.

I've read much about Stauffenberg and wasn't able to find such an Information. All I found where descriptions about his enthusiasm about Hitler in times before the war and until his times in Africa. To call somebody a die hard nationalist in such a situation is perhabs a bit overhasty. Where have you found that information?

Well, back to topic ...

The reason is of course wrong, but would someone be allowed to film at an US-military site? In fact, if that was the real reason every german court would abolish that ban ...

He is banned from shooting at such sites due to his religion; that is the discriminatory practice.

So much for the enlightened EU attitude toward human rights; I am surprised you would excuse such blatant religious discrimination.

Germany does not have the right under international law to decide which faiths can be discriminated against and which ones are exempt...

Article 2:

Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

SOURCE: The United Nations Covenant of Civil and Political Rights of 1976

Than you would oppose Muslims being permitted into military sites? How about Jews? Jewish religious fanatics in Israel have butchered Palestinians and created an Apartheid regime in the Occupied Territories?

Much like the proponents of violent Jihad what to do? Does Germany restrict Muslims from military sites?

You better ban the Latter Day Saints as they expect 10% flat tithing fees from their members? How about banning Catholicism? Vows of poverty are common amongst clergy and are actually encourged by the bible.

So Christian churches that own expensive land, properties, buildings and assets are not religions because they made lotsa money? Is Germany banning these religious groups?

Funny how Neo-Bolshevik Stalinist EU bigots mask their support of oppression behind a cloak of enlightenment and tolerance. EU Neo-Bolsheviks make me laugh I must say; German hypocrisy is even more laughable and tragic. They will imprison 'holocaust-deniers' for inciting racial hatred but will turn around and fund Israeli Apartheid in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. If you want to find the true racist hypocrites; do not look at the "Neo-Nazi's' but at the 'enlightened' and 'tolerant' EU Neo-Bolshevik bigots masquerading as the champions of tolerance.

Now I think your on to something.. banning all forms of Cults by a government.. instead of letting your government be run by one.. If only that was what you were saying.

I wish some people would legitimately separate religion from the government.. Cleanly.. and prosecute those openly who behave like a cult.. ALL of them.. including the ones who tell you who to vote for in the states but still enjoy a tax exempt status.

Your nick name is strange... ^^

Or it's me ^^

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um... thanks!

all spam aside however... I dont yet understand the Scientology "religion" but from what I have garnered it doesn't stray too far from the accepted definition of what a cult does.

attract more people... do some weird practices to keep those people. make them do things to the contrary of their best interest.. etc..

I dunno.. I reject that Germany is the same as they were in WWII. Quite a big difference between the 3rd Reich and banning members of a religion (or cult) that they have seen do things to harm their citizens. Isnt that the purpose of goverment to protect their citizens from threats? (and provide basic services)

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This is your interpretation. I'm sure Germany has stated no such thing.


Germany does not agree that Scientology is a "faith". In the EU, it is classified as a "sect", on account of its criminal history. It's like the mafia.

That's the problem with words, you have to agree on their definition in order to communicate. Scientology is not recognized as a religion in Europe. Which is as it should be.

No, that would be religious discrimination.

You cannot discriminate against a religion, Frank, you can only discriminate against people, members of a specific creed. As there are currently no Scientology adepts in Europe, no one is adversely affected by our discriminating against it. We'd like to keep it that way, call us bolsheviks all you like...

It is you.

I can't help it, everytime i read his nickname, i read "Heil Hitler", I must have a nazi overdose on this board

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