Remember Poland? When Stalin and Hitler were allies? The good old times?

Where and when I discussed "both sides". Number of post, please, just curious what did touched you so there.

Huh? Ok, let's say for fun it inverted: "We want much from the outer world - to command and control it". What kind of speak is this then?
The entrenched looks outward - to the seeming or real attack, while we look inward. Russia sits like Buddha, while the US are desperately trying to attract as much as possible attantion on their dirty boring actions, full of great sense and mission, of course!)
You are just like that patient in anecdote, who was asked by psychoterapeut to answer what he sees in the drawing of circle, square and solid line. You everythere see the Cold War attributes, like that patient saw the sex.
Cold war addicts, everything was so nice and predictable before the US has lost the suitable certain sole opponent. Since that moment the usual order ran to unexpected dangers and problems. You just dream to bring those lovely times back, as if the Cold War can itself solve all your difficulties and embarassment, nullify the enormous debts and guarantee the prosperity for your country.

You mean the pact of Poland and fascist Germany, due to which they both gained parts of Chechoslovakia?

No. I mean the pact between Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia, and the subsequent division of Poland between them. If that wasn't aggression, I don't know what is...Also, you mentioned France invaded Russia. Well, guess what, Russia tried to screw France first. That makes Russia the aggressor, in my book.

Well, I can't say that I know what Russians are taught in history, but many seem to have some gaps in general timelines and events.
Soviets made a packt with Germany, as both sides were in haste to build up militaries for the coming war which again, both sides knew was coming.
Soviet Union was granted half the Poland, Baltics and Finland and Germans would take their share while neither would raise conserns about the invasions of the other.

Some historians these days study the possibility that Soviet army was arranged in attacking form, not in defencive, and that was one of the key-things why Germans annihilated Soviet forces in the beginning of Barbarosa.

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My bad. Forgot Finland.

Sure "concerned citizen"

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Hey, calm down Oleg, no need for personal attack (what's wrong with you?), but thanks to worry, I am just fine.

I've just reported what I read, Bush needs his "war on terror", Putin needs his citizen to fear of a perpetual western plot against Mother Russia. And it's working very well, Putin's opponent are either in jail or either forgotten by the Russian media or they have to escape from Russia because their life are in danger ^^

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Your feeling is very wrong...

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So in this war Soviets were equal to Germans... And both are evil aggressors...
Well, well...

No wonder Russians always felt fear of the West.

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Please watch this:


Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

Well, yes. (I say this the most calm and little bit puzzeled tone.)

How's that? No bash or personal insult, I am really intrested on hearing about your point of view.

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No problem, man. Many times when looking at WW2, people tend to forget the events before the shooting war. Both Germans and Soviets needed time and treaty between them was more than welcomed by both. It also was a shock to all others.

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I don't doubt about your book. In this book every war of France was defensive or preventive defense war. I don't criticize that. My question is why Russians or Germans will take responsibility and recognize themselves aggressors in all wars, while all other will have roles of innocent judges and the books like yours?
This example was very demonstrative. Sure, you remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact between Germany and USSR, but you prefer don't remember the pact of Pilsudski-Hitler and grabbing of Chechoslovakian lands by Poland in 1938 after the Munich treaty, which was itself the pact between Germany, Britain, France and Italy about "new borders" of Chechoslovakia. Nor you remember the Versaille, which was itself worse then aggression, cause namely the intention to humiliate Germans was the ticking clock-trigger for WW2 in Europe.
In fact you remember the events suitable for the current EU members and Atlantic Alliance. The more dirt you dig about USSR and the more shit you successfully forget about EU countries, the stronger moral position EU has before today's Russia. France was fascist country in the early 1940-s, French voluntary legion participated in einsatz-operations in the occupied USSR. Actually, but for the small bunch of French proud ultra-patriots who fought on their fighters ("Normandia-Neman") against Nazis hand to hand with us and whose national pride was stronger then fragrance of the continental Nazism, the future post-war status of France could have been most likely something else as "victor-country". The post-war construction of Europe with France-victor was necessary for political intrigues of new bipolar world. Friendly France was needed to Americans, already desperately fighting communism in Italy, USSR hoped to haul France to it's side. Only because of it the triumphing collaborationism was stuck under the carpet, and you today insolently poke us with the "dirty past of bad USSR".

Really? It was shock for them? How could it have been, if "the others" already made treaty with Hitler 1 year in advance in Munich? Germans and Soviets ONLY needed time? Germans and Soviets ONLY welcomed the treaty? What the hell Chamberlein was delightfully flourishing his patch of paper above his head for? He didn't look sad, you know.
My post adressed to Adrien has connection to yours. People in the West tend to forget events before shootong war, right, but only the events which are bounded on their own shitty actions in the past. The events connected to the past of the current today's stubborn opponent Russia are polished and shine like the Bethlehem Star.

So Germany that attacked France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc, and than attacked Russia (which was the greatest attack in the world ever), and killed over 16 millions of Russian citizens, and plus 6 millions of Jews is the same and equal thing as Russia whose guilt was that is was protecting itself from glorious civilized european Germans.

Well, well...

You are just fascist.

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Please watch this:


Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes