If you say so. I certainly didn't.

Finland really had that much impact on the battle for Leningrad? How about the USSR's complete failure to provide for its citizens?

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"You know it, I know it, everybody knows it." - so this is how it's written in French school history-books?
So Russia attacked or just was in alliance which didn't include France and therefore was concerned as anti-French?
I don't know what you know - you said you have small interest in Napoleon wars. If you had, you would have not said "Russia attacked France". Because really everyone besides you know the word Austerlitz. As Napoleon came to Austria to destroy the Austrian army which was supported by Russian army, and subdue this part of Europe, he hit successfully and defeated the defense forces. If you study this period of time, you will be surprised perhaps to learn, that by that date (Austerlitz) the Napoleon became the king of Italy and the eastern border of France was on Rhein. You know where Rhein is? Isn't it strange to you where the geographical location of borders of "assaulted France" was? Prussia had surrended already, Napoleon insolently put his brothers to the thrones of Holland and Neapol. In every land he conquered, he took the domestic troops. Austria was the last obstacle, "buffer"-zone between this growing wave and Russian borders. Should we have given the Austria to Napoleon without military help to Austrians? Could this have prevented invasion to Russia? The excuse for invasion to Russia didn't sound like the "revenge to Russia for the meddling in the Austria" or "Russia attacked France - let's pay back". Napoleon declared the initiative of "the freeing war to bring independence to Poland". In fact that was the same idea and slogan, which he used all the way as he crushed the Sacred Roman Empire - to nibble the parts of targeted empire's body and incorporate them as "independent" into his own Empire.

So what? Were the various countries of Europe better off under their own tyrants than they were under Napoleon? I'm sure you have a point here, I just can't see it.

It was the Germans who cut off Leningrad. Finnish and German troops did not meet up at the Karelian isthmus, and Finns left part of shoreline to Lake Ladoga open, and through there went the ice road through which some people were able to be transported out of the city and some supplies also went into the city.

here's a map of the situation

Yes, it was Germans who blocked territory. But Finland gave official free access for Nazis through its territory.

The result was over 1 million of people who starved to death.

Which was under constant attack.

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Did the Finns really have much choice in the matter? It's not like they could have withstood a direct assault by the Germans.

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I don't see the connection. I think it would have happened anyway.


A small country can only be fighting one superpower at a time.

Murder? I call it war.

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The same shit happened in Stalingrad. Stalin forbade the evacuation of civilians until it was too late.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

And? No Finnish bomber touched Leningrad, no shell from our artillery ever landed there.
Actions of Soviet Union forced us to seek help where-ever we could, and only Germans were willing to sell grain and supplies, for a prize.

But Finns had nothing to do with that. Seriously, North and North-East of Leningrad was shielded by enourmous fortifications which could have held back the entire Finnish army with ease and keep any German task force away.
We could talk about Hanko-front next?

By whom? From the ones keeping it open?? You might be a bit lost in this one. Marshal Mannerheim gave a direct order not to engage actions which would make matters in Leningrad worse. Why? Because he felt that this city was his home.

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It doesn't matter. It was killing not directly but indirectly (by German hands).

Sometimes i fell pity that Russians did not murder, but "get died in war" 16 millions of German civilians, as Germans did with Russians.

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Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

Can you prove that all those Russians civilians were "murdered" by the Germans? I don't think you can. Millions died from food shortages brought about by the war, on both sides of the front lines.

Those 1 million civilians in Leningrad were not all "murdered". Some were caught in the crossfire and killed. That isn't murder. Some starved to death, but that wasn't murder either.

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There can be no bystanders in the battle for survival. Anyone who will not fight by your side is an enemy you must crush.

We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thoughts. They are not worthy of those in the service of country.

You should get a trip to the western parts of Russia and Belarus, and you will stop mention food shortages on bith sides then.
I don't say for Leningrad blockade - to me it was defending fortress, and the city produced the supplies for the army and fleet which didn't let Germans enter the city. Starving people made weapons.
But big part of population evacuated from Leningrad before blockade. One family (which were the friends of my friend's family) lived in Leningrad. The head of family had had to remain in city on military facility and this man very wisely supposed his wife, children and old mother will be more safely in countryside if city will be encircled and taken in assault with bombings and street-fighting. He's succeded to transport them to the small village south-west , where he was born, before the trap around Leningrad clapped down. He luckily survived in Leningrad and after Germans were removed he rushed to the village. It existed no more. Germans locked everyone in one huge barn, kindled it and shot out from machine-guns.
If you once get on the spots like that, you will understand, why people don't settle there anymore. People don't like to rent the rooms if they learn the assassination took place in there. Nobody settles on the mass-graves. The vast territories in western Russia never rised again - new settlements were built thousands km eastward. The fields people cultivated in the least for thousand years are swallowed with forest.
It is not war. This village was occupied by frontline Wehrmacht detachments and for few weeks the soldiers quartered in the houses together with citizens. A month lately the leutenant grimly said to the people - "Escape, for God sake, we take off tomorrow and the einsatz-gruppen come to replace us. These guys are mad." It is murder.

I have read about these rear-guards before (because of the fact that Belarusians claimed in Nùremberg that Finnish army soldiers were among these forces and did untold horrors to the civilians. For some odd reasons, Belarusians -and Russians- tend to describe these "Finns" as tall, red-haired and angry.) and acts of Einsatzgruppen are not, by all and any standards, accepted. Mad dogs, I'd say.
But after the Front-line troops and einsatz, rear-Guards took command. Wonder who they really were and where they came from.

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