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Old 12-03-2007
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Nazi being paid by USA... ok...
What's the problem? USA will support any destructive movement in Russia.
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What's the problem? USA will support any destructive movement in Russia.
what is your source for that?
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the same as yours.
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"According to scientists, for twenty years there will be no shortage of the Russian oil resources. Such a period is also envisaged by the geopolitical policy-makers of the Kremlin for overtaking Europe. Their new futurological book „The Third Empire“ (quazi novel) is really noteworthy, as well as „Mein Kampf“ of the Russian political elite. In these books even less time if foreseen for Europe‘s takeover and prostration of America. According to their plans, by 2015 the Baltic States will have completely vanished from the stage. The Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians would be physically destroyed. The book was written by vice chairman of Duma, and V.Putin‘s favorites M.Leontyev and A.Dugin advertise it with enthusiasm."

Geopolitika - Concepts of „abroad“: near and remote neighborhood of Lithuania

That's OK someone has to replace USA
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What's the problem? USA will support any destructive movement in Russia.
So are you just regurgitating Nashi Putinjugend bullshit or is there actually any evidence for these claims that Russian opposition movements to UR are 'CIA-sponsored'?
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It's rather a sick joke on just a week after the Holodomor remembrance day that we have a Russian here talking about the 'injustice' of millions of their people being killed when the Soviets did that to the 2.5-3million Ukranians in a man-made famine.
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Another fascists and nazi-revanchist...
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What's the problem? USA will support any destructive movement in Russia.
And you also think that the whole EU is actually a Germany's controlled entity? Some Russians claim that one too.

It might be hard for you to understand that we really have independent news media, since you have been without such a thing for so long and willingly gave it up in order to "stabilaze" you nation.

Why make these Russian elections seem like a fair and democratic?
-And it is also a Farcry to claim that the U.S. would want to destabilaze Russia through support of the opposition. Russian opposition is cornered and rights removed.
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the same as yours.
Ahah, then we mustn't read the same source

I give you another try: what are your sources?
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2. NBP (Nazi Bolsheviks Party that are in alliance with Garry Kasparov) are paid by USA.
Nazi Bolsheviks? Now there is a contradiction in term.
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Nazi Bolsheviks? Now there is a contradiction in term.
National Bolshevics. ÍÁÏ :: Íàñòîÿùåå. Áóäóùåå. Ïðîøëîå. Íàöèîíàë-Áîëüøåâèçì
If you follow the link, you will see the flags on photo, which you, as historian-amateur likely find familiar. Look - the same colours of Hohenzollern, white circle on the red, instead of black hackenkreuz in white circle - black crossed hammer and sickle. This is grotesque, yet this flag and organisation is real symbiotic mockery of NS and Bolshevism.
Then you should look upwards, above the photo you'll see the flag of Kasparov's movement - three horizontal stripes: black, yellow and white, with the name of movement upon it.
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National Bolshevics. ÍÁĎ :: Íŕńňî˙ůĺĺ. Áóäóůĺĺ. Ďđîřëîĺ. Íŕöčîíŕë-Áîëüřĺâčçě
If you follow the link, you will see the flags on photo, which you, as historian-amateur likely find familiar. Look - the same colours of Hohenzollern, white circle on the red, instead of black hackenkreuz in white circle - black crossed hammer and sickle. This is grotesque, yet this flag and organisation is real symbiotic mockery of NS and Bolshevism.
Then you should look upwards, above the photo you'll see the flag of Kasparov's movement - three horizontal stripes: black, yellow and white, with the name of movement upon it.
odd joining indeed. Especially considering that Nazism was opposed to all forms of Bolchevism/Communism.
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Another fascists and nazi-revanchist...
So are you admitting you can't prove that the opposition movements to Putin are US-backed?

Also, are you denying the holodomor?
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So are you admitting you can't prove that the opposition movements to Putin are US-backed?
Not so difficult as you hope. Look what is being easily found by me with Blessed Google for the 10 minutes.

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Schach Nachrichten

Die von Jukos-Chef Michail Chodorkowski gegründete Stiftung "Open Russia Foundation" (Otkrytaya Rossiya), in deren Vorstand sich u.a. Henry Kissinger und Lord Jacob Rothschild befinden, hatte am 4. September 2003 bekannt gegeben, dass sie die Publikationsrechte der in der Glasnost-Zeit bekannt gewordenen Publikation Moskowskije Nowosti erworben und Jewgeni Kiseljow als Chefredakteur eingesetzt habe. Am 16. September 2003 gab die US-Agentur USAID die Unterzeichnung eines Kooperationsabkommens mit Open Russia bekannt
WTF the Open Russia and does it have anything to do with Kasparov's opposition, namely Other Russia?
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All-Russian conference “The other Russia”

Alekseeva Liudmila, Chairwoman for Human Rights Organization "Moscow-Helsinki Group", Co-chairwoman for All-Russian Civil Congress
Auzan Aleksander, President of National Project Institute "Social Contract"
Dzhibladze Iuriy, Center of Democratic Development and Human Rights
Illarionov Andrey, President of Institute of Economic Analysis
Kabanov Kirill, National Anti-corruption Committee
Kasparov Garri, Head of United Civil Front, Co-chairman for All-Russian Civil Congress
Kutaev Ruslan, Ivanovo Regional Organization "People's Democratic Union"va
Lukyanova Elena, Professor of Juridical Science, Lomonosov Moscow State University, Lawyer
Merzlikin Konstantin, Deputy Head of "MK-Analitika"
Osovtsov Aleksander, Member of Board of “Open Russia” Organization
Panfilova Elena, Director of Center for Anti-Corruption Research and Initiatives Transparency International-Russia
Prokhorov Vadim, Lawyer
Ryzhov Iuriy, Member of Russian Academy of Sciences
Satarov Georgiy, President of INDEM Foundation, Co-chairman of All-Russian Civil congress
So, if you are not strong in German you can ask Thor to translate first piece for you. Though, I suppose, it is clear to everyone who read in latine letters.
What a nice company of russophiles, eh? Henry Kissinger, Lord Rothschield, USAID - gentlemen so anxious about democracy in Russia, so that Member of Board of their lapdog organisation becomes the one of leaders of the "Other Russia" movement, which claims to run for presidential elections and consequently arranging the political demonstrations?
Don't take Russians for fools. The internet is full of links and traces of these pretty boys and girls. THE US DO BACK opoosition in Russia. I only hope one day we will have the american laws which punish such tricks very sternly.
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Also, are you denying the holodomor?
Na, you hope to catch Milli on critics and then declare him to be of criminal responsibility while visiting Ukraine? Nice deed of the honest man, bravo... We in Russia know about this new law.
On that I'd say you, that claiming our president or Kremlin authorities to be murderes of Politkovskaya or poisoners of Yuschenko or Litvinenko without solid proof is also can be reason to litigate due to the law about slander.
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Not so difficult as you hope. Look what is being easily found by me with Blessed Google for the 10 minutes.


WTF the Open Russia and does it have anything to do with Kasparov's opposition, namely Other Russia?

So, if you are not strong in German you can ask Thor to translate first piece for you. Though, I suppose, it is clear to everyone who read in latine letters.
What a nice company of russophiles, eh? Henry Kissinger, Lord Rothschield, USAID - gentlemen so anxious about democracy in Russia, so that Member of Board of their lapdog organisation becomes the one of leaders of the "Other Russia" movement, which claims to run for presidential elections and consequently arranging the political demonstrations?
Don't take Russians for fools. The internet is full of links and traces of these pretty boys and girls. THE US DO BACK opoosition in Russia. I only hope one day we will have the american laws which punish such tricks very sternly.
All I see in that listed is 'USAID' 'Henry Kissinger' and other names I don't recognize amongst a language I don't speak.

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Na, you hope to catch Milli on critics and then declare him to be of criminal responsibility while visiting Ukraine? Nice deed of the honest man, bravo... We in Russia know about this new law.

Actually I did not say Milli is responsible, and I asked you a question, do you deny the Holodomor? Yes or no?

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On that I'd say you, that claiming our president or Kremlin authorities to be murderes of Politkovskaya or poisoners of Yuschenko or Litvinenko without solid proof is also can be reason to litigate due to the law about slander.
So if it's not the Kremlin killing over 20+ journalists and interviewees and book writers that are critical of it, who is it then? Or did these people really just happen to fall off a building by accident?
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