No problem. Another people do. Well, if you only read in English, then I offer you the simpler way. Welcome here All-Russian conference “The other Russia”
scroll down and watch the "List of Foreign guests". I give here the citing of "guests" from US organisations, which back the "Other Russia":
Enough? Now tell me, and let all American fellowmembers of this forum be our judges - how many votes could collect in the US a party with such set of, let's say Chinese political advisers, "programm officers for the US and Mexico", and representatives of Chinese national endowment for democracy?
Do you know what patriotic Americans will say regarding the participation of such party in federal elections. I ask Americans here, guys, what would you say then?

Tell me first, why you expect me denying of accepting fact of deaths? Every scholar in Russia knows that in 30-s there was great hunger in Ukraine and on Volga. One more patch of global crime of the Bolshevicks over the nations of former Russian Empire. You know, revolutions don't lead to democracy, especially the imported ones. For instance great democratic revolutionaire Saakashvili in Georgia, behold, just couple years at power - and already thruncheons and gas against the opposition, hundreds of wounded, PM killed and hastily cremated. By the 1932 Stalin (also democratic revolutionaire from Georgia) was at power 8 years and didn't lose time too.

That is right position. Who killed 20 journalists? Who killed the people in the streets in 1993 from sniper rifles, and then buried them in secret graves? Who killed Lev Rokhlin? There are many questions to answer. BTW the killed journalists was not critics of Kremlin only. For instance, the american citizen of Russian roots Paul Khlebnikov - real Russian patriot - led the research over Berezovsky activities and published the books. People say, Vlad Listyev had problems with oligarchs too. After his death both main TV channels were quickly seized by them and I'd say his death was the beginning of informational terror against Russian people.

I have to say these 2 Russian contributors have exactly the same opinions like some communists and mentally handicaped people in my country. I hope you guys get over your hatred and promote free and democratic Russia.
Russians are completely unable to show any sign of self reflection, just take stealing land from Finland and Baltic states for example. I wonder whether I see any Russians ever appologize to them.

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Oleg, let me say this.

I would not like a delegation from a foreign country trying to influence my elections and I see where you're coming from, however it's not that simple and please read why

Russia is a new democracy and the fact that the Other Russia has chosen to identify with representatives from a country which they share their democratic values with does not mean we're bankrolling and 'propping up' Other Russia. You must also understand that 'Other Russia' is outgunned by the rollbacks of democracy by Vladimir Putin. They can't run TV ads, they can't have shows, their TV news gets shut down, so if you were in their position, why would you NOT accept or ask for any foreign help? The way it is now they have no chance of winning.

But I agree with you that this gives them a bad reputation. I would be angry too. I just wish Russians could be a little bit more constructive about these things and not accuse our country of plotting a "CIA coup" like many of your youth groups do.

I'm not sure Georgia's political woes can compare to 3.5 million people killed in a Soviet-imposed famine. I do commend you though for acknowledging that as a crime, because your (Russian) government doesn't unfortunately.

So give me a few answers, don't just say it's a 'mystery.' If it's not the Kremlin who else would want people like Politskovkaya and Litivenko dead?

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I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Other Russia = Nazi-Bolshevik Party + Garry Kasparov.

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Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

The only criminal is nature. Famine was not only in 1933, but in 1922, 1910-1912, 1897, and many times before.. So you can blame nature for that.

Litvinenko was killed by Britain.

Politkovskaya was killed as a startpoint for orange revolution in Russia, just like Gongadze was killed in Ukraine. They use the same tactics.

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Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

You should be ashamed of this lie.

It is a WELL-KNOWN FACT that the 1932-1933 famine known as the 'Holodomor' was a Soviet-imposed famine, where all private farmers who did not succumb to the farm collectivization policy of the Soviet Union had their food taken away and forced to stay in their homes. The USSR basically came in and stole all their food. For christ's sake, they shot anyone who tried to get any of their harvest. The life expectancy was 7 and 10 years old.

You have no idea what you're talking about, this is like saying the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews.

Ok, the comment you said above and this comment here just proves you're nothing more than a mindless drone for Soviet nostalgics and United Russia.

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I repeat, there were famines long before Revolution. They were about once in a 12 years. And there were millions of people who died in every of those famines long before Revolution.

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Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

I specifically said 'holodomor' that refers to a specific event remembered by the Ukraine as something that almost systematically wiped out their people and culture, not 'famines' in general.

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The point of view on famine in Ukraine is not as simplified as you are trying to show.

So, if you are talking about famine in Ukraine, which you call Holodomor, why do you always forget about the same famine in Russia and Kazahstan at the same time with even bigger number of deaths. But wait, famine in Russia is not in your conception. You are just trying to use natural and humanitarian disaster as political tool.

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Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

Actually no, I wasn't implying that Russians were treated well by their Soviet leaders, probably because that was not the topic at hand..

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We hope too, that we promote the democratic and free Russia, though I think you are a bit late for apologises. And I'd say, I'm afraid, for the self-reflection, too. We don't hate you, boy, for the god's sake don't sit so long before the mirror, don't read too much yellow press and have respect for the opinion of other people even if they are communists. You should as well have more compassion on mentally-handicaped people, because no one knows one's own fate.

I have no respect for communists as they were the ones who were ruining my country for 40 years long with your help. Russians don't seem to care about their popularity abroad. None of their western neighbours really like them. Although there are exceptions in Russia and some people are nice, there seems to be majority of blind nationalist putin supporters with a handful of communists. Population is decreasing rapidly and those who can escape to west. Right now Putin has everything in control, but he will not be there forever. I do not fear Russia in Putins hands, I'm worried what comes after him. Russia has lot of experience with bringing misery to other countries.

Although we are both of Slavic origin, there seem to be big difference between western, southern and eastern Slavs.

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killed by Britain eh? uh huh......wow, self reflection is not alive and well in today’s ussr...and the kulaks?,,,,I suppose they are just a sorry sign post in the wonderful soviet system post revolution...,but what the heck, what’s another self perpetuated famine?... so kasparov’s party doesn’t need to be heard or allowed to run sans interference?...ah huh....that’s perfect...meet the new boss, same as the old boss....

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Did you hear this one?

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Hahaha, well, that is a bit extreme though.

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