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Dilettante · #16 (**permalink**) 07-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Si modo

$2.75? Almost worth the drive to Philly. I paid $3.33 yesterday.

$3.33? Ouch!
I was just rounding. I saw it as low as $2.89 a little north of the city yesterday.

erikvv · #17 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

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Originally Posted by oleg

You really don't understand it? The oil deliveries in the world are totally controlled by the US military force and their base network - all except for those which Russia regained after the chaos or 90-s. All producers of oil are dependent from the US, and as the Saddam's example has shown, they punish the renegades very sternly. The production of oil is highly localized and easy to control, quite contrary to the atomic elecricity. Everybody buying oil authomatically credits and donates the US economy.
For every barrel of the oil or every cubic meter of natural gas the companies have incredible 200-300% of clear profits on the retail trade, this gives to the small knot of economic elites the absolute unreachable championship among all other business. In other word, this give to some small group the power. Consider the difference between the retail prices in Europe and in the US and you will have the complete picture which explains the secret of the US' successes, because oil control as well helps to easily arrange advantages for their home economy.
Coal technologies or atomic renessanse in Europe - all this is deadly dangerous for the US domination, Europe simply would become independent in it's energy supplies and some European countries advanced in atomic high-tech would gain great weight. Oil-gas retail jack-pots will be no more possible.That is why the US will sooner tolerate the Russian influence in oil-gas sphere, then to eliminate the oil-gas structure of economy itself. The allergy is better then death.

Oleg it is not the US which enforces us to not develop nuclear energy or use gentech food so they can have a competitive advantage. It is ourselves who chose it to be that way.

Besides even if we would become more dependant on nuclear energy we would also import the bulk of uranium from abroad. It wouldnt reduce our dependance on foreigners but I think extra diversity and the spreading of risk is a good thing.

Si modo · #18 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

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Originally Posted by Dilettante

$3.33? Ouch!
I was just rounding. I saw it as low as $2.89 a little north of the city yesterday.

Ouch is right. I paid that in Rockville, MD. I have to remember to get gas when I'm in Virginia. It's cheaper there, sometimes as much as 12 cents.

kanas · #19 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

BBC NEWS | In Depth

Oil and gas

Russia has the largest known natural gas reserves in the world and is the world's second largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia. Oil and gas accounted for about 60% of Russia's exports in 2005.

Europe depends on Russia for its energy and almost all existing pipelines head west.

Russia has been accused of using energy to exercise political control over some former Soviet republics such as Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus and Moldova.

In January 2006, Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom temporarily restricted its gas supply to Ukraine, demanding a 400% price rise to bring Urkraine in line with the global market.

This led to a 30% reduction in gas to the rest of Europe - and forced the EU to consider how to avoid becoming too dependent on gas from one source.

Russia is building a major new pipeline across the Baltic Sea, which will bypass transit countries such as Belarus, Ukraine and Poland and provide direct access to Western Europe."

oleg · #20 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Oleg, you read only Russian news, don't you?

Western News only. Now be so kind and tell me - have you ever read any news from non-British or non-American media? When have you read (if you did so) any article in the foreign language last time and how often does it occure?

oleg · #21 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

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Originally Posted by Dilettante

LOL. Look up the numbers, my friend. Almost ALL of the price difference between the US and Europe is composed of European taxes. If it weren't for taxation, some Europeans would pay less for gasoline than Americans do.

The US has (one of) the lowest gas taxes of any industrialized nation; it's somewhere around 15%, or was last time I checked. European gas taxes tend to be between 100-150%. Most European nations have decided to raise gas taxes to encourage conservation and alternative fuels; the US has not, so gas taxes here as quite low.
So when Americans pay $2.75 per gallon and Europeans pay $6.00 (or the Euro equivalent), that extra $3.25 doesn't go to some US organization; it goes straight to taxes.

Where did I say the difference goes to some US organization? The topic isn't the taxation and where the difference goes to, the subject is quite simple - any European company pays for energy 2.5 times more to produce the same product as it's US counterpart. Or you going to assert the European governments first take the fuel-tax from everyone and then the special rebute mechanism compensates the Europe-US difference for european companies?
The european products rival the american ones on the global market having primary production costs higher. Now imagine what will happen if the European governments stop encourage the conservation and alternative fuel by lowering the tax to the US level. Imagine what will happen if the green hystery which is being deliberately pumped into the European society by the media will be normalized to the level of the US media-environment? I think in this case the tax-money shortages for european social system will hardly interest you then that much, because you will be very busy.

oleg · #22 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007

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Originally Posted by erikvv

Oleg it is not the US which enforces us to not develop nuclear energy or use gentech food so they can have a competitive advantage. It is ourselves who chose it to be that way.
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Yes, every time I watch the Euronews report about closing one more industry object and other next few thousands workers fired, I think the same - you've chosen it yourselves.
Well, I can only ask you the same thing as I did to Pramjockey - when did you read anything beyond the European and American media last time?

pramjockey · #23 (**permalink**) 07-03-2007

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Originally Posted by oleg

Western News only. Now be so kind and tell me - have you ever read any news from non-British or non-American media? When have you read (if you did so) any article in the foreign language last time and how often does it occure?

Yes.

I read Le Monde from time to time, and peruse Al Jazeera fairly regularly.

Given your statements here, it's pretty clear that you don't really have any idea what's really going on in your own country. You're obviously buying into the Putin-dominated "media." Shit, next you'll be telling us how the cold-war-era radar system Putin offered will work with next-gen ABM systems.

kanas · #24 (**permalink**) 07-03-2007

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MilleVanille · #25 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

cheap propaganda...

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Given your statements here, it's pretty clear that you don't really have any idea what's really going on in your own country.

Off course, the guy from Colorado knows about what's happening in Russia better than the guy who lives in Russia.. Ha-ha-ha!

What an ignorance and the brilliant example of propaganda brainwashing at the same time.

kanas · #26 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

"Russia has raised the idea of basing new missile forces in Kaliningrad, close to Poland and Lithuania. "

BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia issues new missile threat

kanas · #27 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

"Last week President Vladimir Putin met with a selected group of delegates attending a Kremlin-organized conference, “Timely Issues in Teaching Modern History and Social Science.” Putin told the teachers: “Many school books are written by people who work to get foreign grants. They dance to the polka that others have paid for. You understand? These books, regrettably, get into schools and universities.” Putin demanded new history textbooks that “make our citizens, especially the young, proud of their country” and reiterated “no one must be allowed to impose the feeling of guilt on us.”

KREMLIN REJECTS “FOREIGN” APPROACH TO RUSSIAN HISTORY - Eurasia Daily Monitor

MilleVanille · #28 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

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"Russia has raised the idea of basing new missile forces in Kaliningrad, close to Poland and Lithuania. "

What's the problem? That is our land.

Wallaroo · #29 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

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Originally Posted by MilleVanille

What's the problem? That is our land.

Its actually pretty funny that there still is that "little Russia" right there in the middle of EU.

Imperator · #30 (**permalink**) 07-04-2007

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Originally Posted by MilleVanille

cheap propaganda...

Off course, the guy from Colorado knows about what's happening in Russia better than the guy who lives in Russia.. Ha-ha-ha!

What an ignorance and the brilliant example of propaganda brainwashing at the same time.

the guy from Colorado probably does with what passes for "media" in today’s Russia....

well when there’s zero free press and the average russian ala you perhaps feels the US is a enemy etc. then I'd say the case has been proven ..control the content of what people see and hear and you have won half the battle....

I suppose Russia closing pipelines and threatening to close others is bunk? Sorry no...

And as far as Russia’s old super power status? That’s was an illusion held together by the huge number of nuclear weapons, the huge size of her military and propaganda regards the efficiency of its baseline military which, in the end we found out , would have got their clock cleaned if they invaded the west..

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