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Old 12-11-2007
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Re: Russia - „The Third Empire“

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Don't forget that at the time of war they provided Nazis with metal (over 80% of all German weapon was made of Swedish ore).
Maybe it was wrong, maybe Sweden should have refused and been occupied, pick an fight that couldn't be won. But if this was wrong, isn't it also wrong by Russia to export weapons to Iran?
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You are 100 times more base than any bloody German Nazi hangmen. Those had valour to die for what they believed to be their goal.
You fight for national independence, when your country is threatened. That makes sense, right? Well, in this case, Sweden already had national independence, but if Sweden would have chosen to fight, that national independence would have been lost.

That is not a very strong motivator to fight. Any other country would have done the same thing.
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But if this was wrong, isn't it also wrong by Russia to export weapons to Iran
I don't see anything wrong with exporting weapons to Iran. Moreover, i think and support that Iran should get any weapon it wants (including nuclear one), since Iran is not in the war, and probable object of aggression.

Iran has the right to protect itself.

The situation is different, Germany at that time was in the bloodiest war in all history. For example, 50% of all Belorussians were exterminated by Germans during the war (that's only in Belorussia). You was providing 80% of all metal for the German weapons during all war. This metal was used to exterminate Belorussians, Russians and other nations. So you are responsible for that.
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I don't see anything wrong with exporting weapons to Iran. Moreover, i think and support that Iran should get any weapon it wants (including nuclear one), since Iran is not in the war, and probable object of aggression.

Iran has the right to protect itself.

The situation is different, Germany at that time was in the bloodiest war in all history. For example, 50% of all Belorussians were exterminated by Germans during the war (that's only in Belorussia). You was providing 80% of all metal for the German weapons during all war. This metal was used to exterminate Belorussians, Russians and other nations. So you are responsible for that.
Amusing as usual. Far from reality, but amusing.

Should Sweden had not sold the ore, Germany would have invaded. Simple as that. Sweden was the main area from where Red Cross worked from and though they did trade with Germany, they also aided Allies with every chance they had. Sweden was well off after WW2, they had no destroyed areas, no forgein threat, apart from Soviet Union, no refugees to house and no debt.
In the sence of Nations survival, they fared well.

And if you are so keen on pointing misdeeds of others, take knees and beg forgivness from all the monstrous deeds the Soviets did.
All the people they raped, killed and starved. All the nations and kin they attempted to annihilate and destroy. All the Nations the occupied for decades and left in poor state.
Soviet Russia was and is one of the worst, so stop being so holy.
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Please name at least one nation annihilated by SU.
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Old 12-13-2007
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Attempts... The chechnyans where shipped of to central asia somewhere, under appaling conditions.
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Attempts... The chechnyans where shipped of to central asia somewhere, under appaling conditions.
Yeah, they were evicted for collaboration with Nazis.

But does eviction means annihilation?
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What about the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic?
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What about the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic?
Volga Germans were moved to Kazahstan because of possible collaboration with Germans. But not annihilated.
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Volga Germans were moved to Kazahstan because of possible collaboration with Germans. But not annihilated.
Oh, so we are going off complete annihilation? In that case the Nazis never did that either.
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Oh, so we are going off complete annihilation? In that case the Nazis never did that either.
Really? So what about Jewss and Gypsies in Germany at that time.
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Really? So what about Jewss and Gypsies in Germany at that time.
The Nazis never killed all Jews and/or Gypsies.
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You fight for national independence, when your country is threatened. That makes sense, right? Well, in this case, Sweden already had national independence, but if Sweden would have chosen to fight, that national independence would have been lost.

That is not a very strong motivator to fight. Any other country would have done the same thing.
No. Even if occupied no great devastation could have been inflicted. Perhaps not at all. There would have been the government change and that's all. The capitulation on battlefield would have certainly saved the pride of nation. To be enslaved is not shame, but to collaborate and support cowardly out of commercial interest. Sweden has made good money on the deals with Nazis. Flipping to the side of the stronger, quick betraying the previous master, commiting the base things to prevent any material problems and earning profit on the selling lives of communists and nazis means anything but national independence.
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The Nazis never killed all Jews and/or Gypsies.
Because they had not enough time.
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Because they had not enough time.
right. but we are going off total annihilation, right?
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