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MilleVanille · #**106** (**permalink**) 07-05-2007

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thats interesting...

I think there is a threat in a growing population of fanatical people that are willing to die so long as they take as many innocents with them. These people are insane.

If you were american government official, who would you think is the greatest threat to america.?

You are trying to lay all the eggs into one basket.
In Russia muslims are much-much different from Middle East's muslims.

And if you say that muslims are fanatical, you have to add that Middle East's muslims or Pakistanian muslims, etc...
But not Kazahstan,for example (ehh... Borat...), cos' Kazahs as muslims are absolutely not fanatical and very secular.

metalted · #**107** (**permalink**) 07-06-2007

ok so your saying its not a holy war on that end its a secular war. The PLO was a secular terrorist movement when it started still brutal and cruel. Targeting civilians and such. I see that it appears chinese Muslims are probably similiar to what you describe as russian muslims. Still its pretty fucked up to take over a school like that, I have read reports that many kids that attempted to flee were found with bullets in thier backs..

It probably wont seriously damage russia, or china after all they have a way of crushing resistance, they are very draconian and very effective... and they dont have to worry about facing such a storm of criticism and international fallout americans would face if they attempted such methods..

MilleVanille · #**108** (**permalink**) 07-06-2007

Nope, not because of "draconian methods", but because of work and relationship that Russia had with muslims during last 500 years, and especially during last 90 years.

You forget that Russians lived in the muslim's surroundings, and we have big ties with muslims.

For example, Tatars are muslim. But their life don't differ from the life of Europeans or Russians. For example, famous Tatars:

Rudolf Nureyev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chulpan Khamatova - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to solve the problem of islamic terrorism, you have to find what brought people to radicalization, and to help them to solve these problems. Sending air bombs on their heads and invasions do not solve the problem.

And Saddam Hussein was a secular dictator that sympathized to socialism. If you don't remember he even had the war with Iran to prevent radical islam to come to his country from Iran.

Saddam was the guy you could used against Iran, but you didn't used your chance.

Now Iran turned anti-american, and it seems like you can't conquer Iran. Your war in Iraq helps iranian regime to stay at power. Without that this regime should collapse much faster.

Islam among Persians (they are about 37% of iranian population) and Azerbaijanians (they are about 40% of iranian population) is very weak. Much less than 1% of Azerbaijanians that live in Moscow visit mosque on Fridays. In Baku (Azerbaijanian) gay night club freely works, etc...

metalted · #**109** (**permalink**) 07-06-2007

I did some research and found that Islam is indeed a pretty high percent of your population. But I also wonder if soviet repression of religion, creating an aethiest society has anything to do with the fact that most russian muslims are very secular. Russian society as a whole seems secular as well. But it appears there are suicide bombings and such, something that sounds like jihad to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...e_Soviet_Union

But anyway with your talk finding the root cause... The root cause in my research has come to an embracing of the 'protocals of zion' misinformation, and of nazi german ideology, mixed with nationalism.. with a religious twist. All this togethor is a very dangerous mess. with mien kampf sales soaring in that region.. there is no easy way to change anything.. Radicalization cant be stopped with treaties....

MilleVanille · #**110** (**permalink**) 07-06-2007

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But it appears there are suicide bombings and such, something that sounds like jihad to me.

Yes, there's a problem of radical islam in Russia also, but only in 2 eastern regions - Chechnya (700 thousands) and Ingushetia (450 thousands).

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there is no easy way to change anything.. Radicalization cant be stopped with treaties....

Then find the way to organize WW3 in the Middle East region among muslims. That will solve the problem of passionars' surplus. You can use civil war in Iraq to spread this war on the Middle East.

ThorHammer · #**111** (**permalink**) 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by oleg

Well, jentlemen, thanks for interesting reading. Same feeling as if I occasionly listened the talk of few men who plan to kill me. Hell, it's thrilling. The level of hostility which seeks desperately for some small excuse to unite and crash Russia in total war, to become volunteer - anything just to start kill Russians is really stunning. Three things are only obstacle to turn your subconscious fancies into reality - the nuclear weapons, the fucking surrounding pacifism and absence of new Hitler, who could give you the ideology which will not demand the excuse to start the aggression. As follows from your posts the West is armed up to it's teeth in comparison to the weakened Russian military, high time to provoke and hit until it's too late. God, what a poison you all got in your heads behind all your false treacherous smiles and politess. Latent murders, Bertold Brecht was damn right about you but nobody believed him. Small decline in your economy, a little peak of private dissatisfaction and you will be ready for killing Crusade - for the Coffin of God, for the Reign of the Aryan race or for any sacred bullshit which can give you the feeling of sense in your senseless and boring existence.
Too cowardous to be warriors, you couch warmongers, don't worry - the total war you dream of always has great demand for the hangmen. There will be the opportunity to kill many men and women, quite safe, just imagine it.

What the hell are you talking about?

Any dicussion of possible military scenarios, including foreign volunteers, are strictly hypothetical and do not show a hostility towards all things Russian, the desire for some sort of new Crusade, a notion of racial superiority, or any of the other bullshit you came up with. None of us want these scenarios to happen. So stop playing the victim and get over yourself.

kanas · #**112** (**permalink**) 07-10-2007

"There is a nasty smell of Weimar in Russia nowadays. All the talk is of Russia’s need to reassert itself and show the world it is still a great power. On the streets, skinheads and racists beat up foreigners and attack dark-skinned Caucasians. Gays are attacked, liberals jeered and opposition protests forcibly disbanded. At home there is growing intolerance of anything except the government line, while abroad President Putin picks quarrels with his neighbours and threatens his erstwhile Western allies."
Is Putin the bully leading Russia into fascism? -Times Online

kanas · #**113** (**permalink**) 07-11-2007

Trans-Sahara pipeline sees funders

An ambitious plan to build a natural gas pipeline from Nigeria across the Sahara Desert to supply Europe has been discussed at a conference in Brussels with banks, international donor agencies and other prospective investors taking part. It is possible the European Union might pay some of the 9.5 billion euro cost.

EU Energy commissioner Andris Piebalgs is enthusiastic. He told conference participants: "The diversification of suppliers and routes is a key part of the EU energy supply security strategy. At the same time I would like to emphasise that I am convinced that the Trans-Sahara Gas Pipeline could constitute a promising supply route and source for the EU."

The pipeline would run almost 4,300 kilometres, from the volatile and violence plagued Niger Delta to the Algerian coast. Algeria currently exports liquefied gas across the Mediterranean from ports in the east and west of the country and plans a pipeline to Sardinia in Italy.

The three countries involved with the Trans-Sahara pipeline - Nigeria, Niger and Algeria - have already had feasibility studies carried out which found the project feasible technically and economically. The money could come from European governments and gas companies facing declining domestic supplies from areas like the North Sea and worried about an increasing reliance on gas from Russia.]
EuroNews EuroNews : Trans-Sahara pipeline sees funders

kanas · #**114** (**permalink**) 08-22-2007

PUTIN KGB METHODS

The Other Russia - News from the Coalition for Democracy in Russia » United Civil Front Activist Larisa Arap Held
"she has been abducted by the authorities in Murmansk at a psychiatric clinic. She was held from July 5 to July 18 with no medical or legal information being given out by authorities. Only later did a court say she was “a danger to herself and others” — the classic formulation. She is being held and medicated against her will, although the hospital will not confirm her presence there.

UPDATE JULY 30: Ms. Arap’s daughter Taisiya has been able to visit her mother in the hospital. She requested to see the diagnosis of her mother and was refused by doctors citing privileged information. The photo on the right was taken by her daughter with her cell phone at the clinic where her mother is being held. We will be following Ms. Arap’s story closely.