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Old 09-06-2007
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Germans, I need your help

If my German is correct, the NPD (a far right party in Germany. Some call it the new Nazi Party) has moved ahead of the SPD in the latest polls in Saxony. The SPD recieved 8%, and the NPD 9%. Not a large margin, to be sure. Both are still being hammered by the CDU and Die Linke. Still, it is a touch suprising that the NPD could pull this off. Could the German speakers of the forum back me up here, and perhaps offer some clarification?

Alarmierende Umfragezahlen: NPD in Sachsen überrundet SPD - Politik - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten

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Die NPD ist einer neuen Umfrage zufolge die Gewinnerin der sächsischen Regierungskrise. Die Rechtsextremen überrunden erstmals die SPD - die nur noch bei acht Prozent liegt. Die Partei ist erschüttert, auch für Politikforscher sind die Zahlen dramatisch.

Hamburg/Dresden - Ministerpräsident Georg Milbradt hat in den vergangenen Wochen einen Schlag nach dem anderen kassiert (mehr...). Korruptionsaffäre, die Posse um die Waldschlösschenbrücke, der Übergriff auf acht Inder in Mügeln. Zuletzt brachte ihn die Pleite der Landesbank ins Wackeln, daran änderte auch der Notverkauf nichts. Doch nach neuesten Zahlen des Umfrage-Instituts Forsa scheinen die Wähler nicht seine CDU abzustrafen - sondern den Minipartner in der Großen Koalition, die SPD: Diese liegt jetzt hinter der NPD.

Die SPD komme laut Forsa nur noch auf acht Prozent - die NPD dagegen auf neun Prozent. Damit liegt sie erstmals vor den Sozialdemokraten.

Die CDU komme auf 39 Prozent, nur zwei weniger als bei der vergangenen Befragung. 27 Prozent der Wähler würden sich für die Linke entscheiden, sieben Prozent für die FDP. Die Grünen würden mit fünf Prozent knapp in den Landtag einziehen.

Die NPD bejubelte die Zahlen in einer Pressemitteilung als "wirklich sensationell" und als Ergebnis dessen, "dass wir uns nicht an medialen Hetzkampagnen gegen unsere eigenen Landsleute wie in Mügeln beteiligen", die "geradezu rassistisch" seien: "Keine Angst, die nächsten Wahlen kommen bestimmt."

Die SPD ist erschüttert. Sie hatte bei der Landtagswahl 2004 mit 9,8 Prozent schon das schlechteste Ergebnis aller Zeiten erreicht. Holger Dulig, parlamentarischer Fraktionsgeschäftsführer, lässt seinem Frust freien Lauf: "Dass nun die NPD Gradmesser für uns ist, kann nicht sein", sagte er SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Ich lasse mich nicht mit Nazis vergleichen." Für die SPD könne es "nach diesen Zahlen nur eine Devise geben: Jetzt müssen wir durchstarten". Die Wirtschaftsdaten sprächen für Sachsen und seine Regierung, und davon sei die SPD ein wichtiger Teil. "Das müssen wir klarmachen", sagt Dulig.

In der sächsischen SPD ist die Unruhe groß. Dulig soll nach Informationen von SPIEGEL ONLINE demnächst den Fraktionschef Cornelius Weiss ablösen, der sich am 14. September gegenüber der Fraktion dazu äußern will - Dulig schweigt bisher dazu.

Linkspartei und NPD profitieren von Gerechtigkeitsdebatte

Der Dresdner Politikwissenschaftler Werner Patzelt nennt die Zahlen "dramatisch". Allerdings spielten "die großen Geschiebekräfte" der Gesellschaft wie die Gerechtigkeitsfrage in Sachsen eine größere Rolle als "kleinere Kapriolen" wie die jüngsten Regierungspleiten. Das Gefühl in der Bevölkerung sei, dass die großen Parteien - ob in Dresden oder Berlin - nicht genug für sie täten, sagte Patzelt SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Soziale Gerechtigkeit ist nach wie vor das wichtigste Thema." Darauf setze verstärkt die NPD, nach dem Motto: "Starker Staat für den kleinen Mann." Von den beiden großen Volksparteien treffe diese Unzufriedenheit besonders die SPD. "Den Sozialdemokraten nimmt man das übel, weil das eigentlich immer ihr Thema war." Profitieren würden vor allem Linkspartei und die NPD.

So richtig kann sich auch Sachsens CDU nicht über die Zahlen freuen. Eine Große Koalition wie bisher wäre ihnen zufolge nicht mehr möglich - so etwas gab es noch in keinem Bundesland. Der Politologe und SPIEGEL-ONLINE-Kolumnist Franz Walter (mehr...) hatte vor kurzem schon auf dieses Problem hingewiesen und von einer schwerwiegenden Störung der politischen Balance gesprochen.
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Re: Germans, I need your help

Spd 9% . I knew they were doing badly but this bad? Its only a regional poll though. CDU has 39% though so there are still reasonable people over there.

In short, the article describes that in that area the extreme left and right have gained political power, Linkspartei has 27% and NPD 9%. The main subject of the elections is "social justice", the NPD's slogan being "a strong state for the small man"
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Re: Germans, I need your help

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If my German is correct, the NPD (a far right party in Germany. Some call it the new Nazi Party) has moved ahead of the SPD in the latest polls in Saxony. The SPD recieved 8%, and the NPD 9%. Not a large margin, to be sure. Both are still being hammered by the CDU and Die Linke. Still, it is a touch suprising that the NPD could pull this off. Could the German speakers of the forum back me up here, and perhaps offer some clarification?

Alarmierende Umfragezahlen: NPD in Sachsen überrundet SPD - Politik - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten

You're right. Saxony is only a small state, though. The SPD isn't doing very well on the national level as well. But in some areas in the former GDR such "weird" numbers aren't too surprising. The state government was hit by a couple of scandals and negaive press in the last time. I guess the SPD got the main blame for it, though the Ministerpräsident is from the CDU but they got a coaltion with the SPD there in a "grand coaltion". Obviously, the parties on the far left and right wings are profiting most from this situation. The "Linke" (formerly PDS) has still a large base in the East anyway.
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Here is a write up in English

Poll Shock: Social Democrats Behind Neo-Nazis in Saxony Survey - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

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According to a voter survey in the eastern German state of Saxony, 9 percent of the population supports the neo-Nazi NPD with just 8 percent in favor of the Social Democrats. The NPD says it's because the far-right party isn't racist.

That Germany's Social Democrats (SPD) are in freefall is nothing new. The center-left party, despite being Angela Merkel's coalition partner in Berlin, is overshadowed by the popularity of the chancellor. SPD leader Kurt Beck is unpopular and has a hard time even keeping his own party in line. And party membership is lower than it has been in half a century.

But on Thursday, the party hit a new low. A survey in the eastern German state of Saxony shows that were voters to head to the polls on Sunday, more people in the state would mark the box next to the neo-Nazi party National Democratic Party (NPD) than would vote for the center-left SPD. The poll, carried out by Forsa, has 9 percent of those surveyed supporting the NPD with just 8 percent for the SPD.

The NPD celebrated the result in a press release, calling the numbers "really sensational." The poll comes just three weeks after Saxony was in the news after a xenophobic mob (more...) chased eight Indians through the town of Mügeln shouting "Foreigners Out!" before beating them up. The NPD on Thursday said the most recent poll is a result of the fact "that we didn't join the media-driven witch hunt against our own countrymen as happened in Mügeln." The press release also said the coverage of the Mügeln attack was "racist" and ended with the words: "Don't worry, the next elections are coming for sure."

The SPD, for its part, is shocked at the result. The party only managed 9.8 percent in Saxony in the last election -- which saw the NPD enter state parliament with 9.2 percent. But being behind the NPD is the clearest indication yet that the party hasn't managed to establish itself in former East Germany. The conservative Christian Democrats came in at 39 percent in the poll while the left-wing Left Party got 27 percent.

Fingers, though, were also pointed at the polling agency itself. Previous polls from other institutes consistently showed the NPD to be well behind the SPD, although the neo-Nazis have been making recent gains.

Nation-wide, the picture isn't nearly as dark for the Social Democrats, but still cause for concern. In general elections, the party would get 27 percent of the vote against 39 percent for the Christian Democrats, according to polling data publicized by public television on Thursday. Were Germans allowed to vote directly for their chancellor, CDU boss Angela Merkel would get 60 percent of the votes with SPD head Kurt Beck only managing 19 percent.

The Saxony poll comes despite nation-wide shock at the August incident in Mügeln. A group of at least 50 right-wingers chased the eight Indians through the entire town. They tried to take shelter in a pizzeria, but the mob broke down the door and the windows. The incident led for a new call in Germany to ban the NPD party (more...). The proposal is controversial however due to a failed attempt to ban the party in 2003. Many are concerned that, should a ban fail again, the NPD would be strengthened.
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