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Old 09-19-2007
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Re: Sweden - failure or successtory?

I guess if you consider the standard of living of your average citizen, the Sweden would be the one of the most successful countries in the world.
If you base success on the power of the ruling elite, it might fall short.
But this would be a much better world, if there were more Swedens.
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Old 09-19-2007
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In Sweden, if you have been a legal immigrant for a number of years, it is often easy to get a citizenship. I would not say you could get it just upon request, though. I do not think any European country does that.
I think I'm going to throw up soon from reading all the rosy descriptions of Sweden, but what the hell - another good thing about Sweden is that you can generally get a dual citizenship after five years. And that's pretty good in europe. If a foreigner wants to vote in Norway, for instance, he or she will have to give up their other citizenship first (also pretty unique in europe, I believe).. and you need to live in the country for a decade (without travelling outside for more than three months at a time, without being outside more than three years in total. No, seriously)..

(Of course, there's all kinds of ways to get a working permit, and so on in europe - but naturalisation is really difficult, and is based on the blood- right, or some variant of it). But.. this is hard for me, but.. we could definitively copy Sweden on the dual citizenship after five years.
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Re: Sweden - failure or successtory?

Eric --- why did you start this post=?
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Old 09-20-2007
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Sweeden success in my eyes is that she has not been and still is not part of big politics of any sort. She was smart enought not to send own boys in Iraq or Aphganistan to fight for uncle. Sweeden, probably the most hi tech nation in the world,..well, Finland stepping on the hills (Ericsson "The Mighty", Nokia "The Champ') sweedish attitude is most benighn, peaceful, hi tech oriented, smart to the point that I wish I live there.
You are right, This world would be a much better worrld if we were not going at war all the time. The Swedes have understood that and know how to distrisbute wealth fairly between their citizens.

Wealth comes from peace not from war.
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Sweden is also taken as an example in France
Oh yeah? Sarco trigger happy seems like. Doubt Sweeds or Finns approve.
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Wealth comes from peace not from war.
Only for the masses.

For the elites, war is far more widely profitable than peace.
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Eric --- why did you start this post=?
Because socialist advocating some parts of the Swedish system are now in the governement and they presented their plans this Tuesday.
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Oh yeah? Sarco trigger happy seems like. Doubt Sweeds or Finns approve.

Finns were under the crown of danmark, Sweden, Russia. Yet every time managed to hold on its 4 episode of senate back 12 century like there was no crown..payed tax to none but itself. Russia had to relax and grant Finns freedome Finns'd take it anyway.

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Finns were under the crown of danmark, Sweden, Russia. Yet every time managed to hold on its 4 episode of senate back 12 century like there was no crown..payed tax to none but itself. Russia had to relax and grant Finns freedome Finns'd take it anyway.
Finland have never been ruled by Denmark. The northern part of present day Estonia has, but that is as far north up the Baltic Sea the Danes came.

Finland was part of the Kingdom of Sweden until 1809, but the Finns were not subject to the Swedes. The Finnish provinces were legally equal to those of present day Sweden. The Finns thus had representation in the Swedish parliament. It was considered a vital part of the royal family members' education to learn Finnish.
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Because socialist advocating some parts of the Swedish system are now in the governement and they presented their plans this Tuesday.
I hope they know that we do not have a socialistic government.
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I think I'm going to throw up soon from reading all the rosy descriptions of Sweden...
I am not far from it, myself.

Sweden is a beautiful country with mostly decent people, but there are plenty of negative sides to the Swedish society:

- the taxes are way too high,
- political correctness is widely spread,
- people are ignorant of the world surrounding Sweden and therefore intolerant,
- people think higher of many things from abroad than of Swedish things (despite what I said above) and the term "un-Swedish" is used as a positive word to denote such exotic things,
- there is a general sentiment that you should not hold yourself up as a good example or be proud of what you do yourself,
- it is almost a Swedish national trait to complain.
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