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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Why don't they just ban the entire German language?

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So a language should be banned because people who happened to speak it were killers? If that is the standard we can ban all the other languages as well, Russian first of all. Poeple dont become killers because of the language they speak.

People should be allowed to be proud of their identity, language and history.
I agree, people should be allowed to be proud of that. I also do not think people should have to be blamed for the history of their people or people speaking their language.

It might seem that these statements are in conflict with each other: as much as I think an individual should be able to feel pride for the collective efforts of his people, I do not think the individual should be blamed for the collective wrongdoings of his people. However, the first statement is about the individual's own feelings, the second is about other individuals' feelings. If an individual likes to feel sorry for the collective wrongdoings of his people, then let him.
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Please tell me the number of killed by Russians in your family?
I've got 5 people in my family who died because of Germans.
What the hell would it matter? According to your "logic", Russian would be one of the first to go, as Erik pointed out.

NOTE: Since you have a tendency to jump to rash conclusions, I feel I need to state that I don't think Russian should be banned, and anyone who does is simply crazy. Crazy as those who think German should be banned.
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I am quite concerned for the Germans who are steadily losing freedom of speech at the cost of political correctness - for example, banning holocaust denial and the such (yes, it's stupid, but it is still speech), getting approval for a child's name, and this example. I understand that Germany has a strong desire to distance itself from anything Nazi, but their legislated efforts to do so seem more nazi-esque than simply allowing free speech, IMHO.

And, if we look at the history of fine art during the WWII years, I bet the term "entartete Kunst" was made an official term so that the Nazi big whigs could have legitimate reasons for acquiring additional works of art. Taken in that sense, maybe the Germans could better deal with the term for degenerate art.
We had this discussion 100 times on this board. It is a mistake to make judgements from your own viewpoint. FS here, FS there ... The Americans also have their own set of restrictive rules based on their culture, history etc. - simply are not aware of them.

There will be a time when it won't be necessary anymore to have these limitations on Nazi stuff in Germany. As far as I am concerned, I think they suck and I am happy the Nazi symbols don't hurt my eyes.

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And, if we look at the history of fine art during the WWII years, I bet the term "entartete Kunst" was made an official term so that the Nazi big whigs could have legitimate reasons for acquiring additional works of art. Taken in that sense, maybe the Germans could better deal with the term for degenerate art.
You underestimate the Nazis : they believed in their ideology and they really thought that the modern painters were degenerate. Hitler had a very different way of painting.
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You can't do anything about it, but sometimes I am a bit irritated when I read reports about what happens in Germany, for this instance. It is quite clear that any political person with a bit of brain should avoid Nazi connotations. If he/she does not, it is for the sole purpose of attracting media attention. And this is clearly what both personalities had in mind - Cardinal Meisner with his ultra-conservative views (Nazi or not : since he is German, and educated, he should know that any reference to entartete Kunst will produce furror) and Eva Hermann, the TV presenter below is probably the most brainless woman in the entire Budesrepublik - whether she was sacked for this or for another stupid comment she has made, she only deserves it : she uses her employment at the German public broadcaster to disseminate her own private ideology.

Cardinal Meisner warned that when art became estranged from worship, culture became degenerate.
Reference is to this wonderful exhibition in 1937 - wonderful because although the purpose of the exhibition was to show lowly art, it actually displayed what Germany had best at the time :
Die Ausstellung "Entartete Kunst"

Correspondents say any sign of agreement with the Nazis is taboo in Germany.
This is true. Anybody on this board surprised about this ?

Last week, a top TV presenter was sacked for praising the Nazis' respect for families and motherhood.
See my comment above. I don't know whether she was sacked just for this comment, but in any case this womans is a public disgrace to the German Broadcaster.
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