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Old 10-22-2007
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Re: Iraq: The two state solution

I am open to any long term solutions anyone has to offer on a peaceful existence with the Kurds and thier neighbors.

I only offer mine for discussion.

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Have you ever studied the history and politics of the Middle East before this week's headline news about the Kurds?
Im well aware of the ongoing issues in the region. They will continue to exist without looking at the history of the conflicts and how all previous solutions have failed, because it put the Kurds as a minority. The one solution that hasnt been tried is Kurdistan. It has been talked about, but never allowed.

The Kurds arent welcome in any country they reside. If one would rather not have a certain group in thier lands, the easist solution is to give them somewhere to go. It comes at no land area lost to Iran or the Turks, yet allows them to relieve themselves of a signifigant burden.
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Re: Iraq: The two state solution

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Im well aware of the ongoing issues in the region. They will continue to exist without looking at the history of the conflicts and how all previous solutions have failed, because it put the Kurds as a minority. The one solution that hasnt been tried is Kurdistan. It has been talked about, but never allowed.

The Kurds arent welcome in any country they reside. If one would rather not have a certain group in thier lands, the easist solution is to give them somewhere to go. It comes at no land area lost to Iran or the Turks, yet allows them to relieve themselves of a signifigant burden.
As I've noted elsewhere, Turkey has a long-standing threat to militarily crush any mention of Kurdish sovereignty. Iran and Russia can be expected to support Turkey's interest here.

That's why there is no Kurdistan or talk of Kurdistan. Simple geo-political realities make it utterly impossible for Kurdistan to be independent.

Indeed, that is the one policy option that is pretty much guarenteed to turn the Middle East into a regional war.

And the number one issue of Kurdistan and their neighbors is the way the Iraqi Kurds allow other (PKK) Kurds to use Iraq as a safe haven for their terrorist attacks against Turkey.

And nothing has changed here in the last 20-30 years.
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I've noted elsewhere, Turkey has a long-standing threat to militarily crush any mention of Kurdish sovereignty. Iran and Russia can be expected to support Turkey's interest here.
I appreciate the input, it isnt necessary to assume there is no knowledge of the history of the region on my part. I wonder if those countries fully realise the potential boon for themselves an independent Kurdsistan would bring to them, if the establishment was done right.
Ultimately Rabbit, I am attepting to think outside the box in terms of real workable solutions that havent been given the thought it might deserve.

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And the number one issue of Kurdistan and their neighbors is the way the Iraqi Kurds allow other (PKK) Kurds to use Iraq as a safe haven for their terrorist attacks against Turkey.
For sure, but you know as well as I do, that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
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And nothing has changed here in the last 20-30 years.
Ah but there has been a huge change in the last 5 years. Saddam is out of power. The Kurds have complied very well in terms of accepting US presence, and expressing the desire to be free, democratic, and prosperous. And having the actions to follow it up.
I am much more of a fan of supporting the people who want our help, than shoving the help down the throats of people who dont.
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