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Gloria and Donkey, you both are right, I don't know why you're discussing...

Gloria, you have to understand that the king of Spain (Juan Carlos) and Chavez aren't strangers to each other. Anyway, the king's use of "te" instead of "usted" is not really relevant, from my point of view.

Translation to Spanish: "¿Por qué no os calláis?" (or "Callaros la boca" ).

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Dude, do you know anything about the king's involvement with the Spanish transition to democracy? I can't imagine one word that would piss this man off more.

Someone has the courage to stand up to Chavez - impressive.

Chavez is beloved by so many: his trendy, crude anti-American lunacy is like catnip for the far left. I wonder how this will be received by the leftists who have made him their pet clown?

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

If you read the thread you'll notice that most of the leftists, even those of us who are Chavez sympathetic, think that this is, at best, a good thing, or at least harmless and amusing.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

Well, I wasn't referring to the posters on this thread. (It's interesting that you thought I was) But since you mention the Chavez sympathizers - apparently including yourself - perhaps the King's willingness to break through the absurdity of left-wing devotion might be an inspiration.

Chavez is a capering, posturing buffoon who appeals to the lowest instincts of people while squandering Venezuela's oil-related wealth. He is a scoundrel and a thief.

However, he hates Americans with the demented hatred that is so popular among idiot dictators, and his colorful, fatuous rhetoric combined with his flamboyant, militant stupidity are certain to endear him to the hearts of US haters everywhere. The King of Spain obviously has no patience with the strict tenets of political correctness and treats him with the contempt he deserves.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

....food and shelter are the lowest of instincts?

As for me the appeal is simply his willingness to seek economic arrangements outside the status quo. Im curious as to how it ends up, if any new paradigms are created, how successful or unsuccessful it will be.


His rhetoric is just humorous.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Not always. Sometimes it's legitimately counterproductive.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

Yeah, he could be a tad more diplomatic.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

It's not the point, the point is Aznar has been elected by the people of Spain, that was the point of Zapatero. He told to Chavez to show respect to the spanish people and then he explained to Chavez he needs to show respect to anyone if he wants to be respected today and later. Is it something you don't understand ? you don't agree with this statment ?



But who are you to judge ?

I mean so many peoples in the world have choosen to keep their king, you don't like this choice but you clearly don't live in one of this country, so drop the case and let other people do what they want.



So what ? Who cares ? You judge ONE people here (ie : the king of spain) whereas you are not spaniard, you clearly don't understand the history of this country, their values, etc, and you clearly didn't try to understand what our spanish guy on the board try to tell you. IT IS THE CHOICE OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE and IT IS NOT THE CHOICE OF THE KING OF SPAIN.

Is rhetoric is just dangerous. Certainly not for the US people but clearly for the venezeluan people. Chavez is on the brink of changing the constitution of this country, it is his first step toward the dicatatorship? no I don't think so, I wonder , now, why some people don't understand that. He fought against the press, then the TV, now, it's the constitution. How many evidences do you (chavez sympathisers) need to understand something like this ?

I've just recalled that Chavez said a couple of days ago that he was going to freeze all comertial relationships between Venezuela and Spain until the king of Spain apologized...

What kind of democratic leader prioritizes his personal pride over his country's interests? ...

Are you opposed to inheritance of power and wealth in general, or is it just when it comes to kings and queens that you cannot understand the concept of inheritance?

I find the institution of the republic to be contrary to my beliefs on individualism and individual rights. I do not believe in a Government 'owned' by the people as a collective. Still, I respect the legitimate republics that are chosen by the people.

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President Josiah Bartlet: Sweden has a 100% literacy rate. 100%! How do they do that?
Leo McGarry: Maybe they don't and they can't add.

Exactly.

Chavez is a narcissistic thug who does not care about the people he claims to support. He loots his own nation and squanders the wealth of Venezuela. The King of Spain challenged him with the truth - and Chavez didn't like it. I just hope the King does NOT apologize.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

[quote]Rubbish. That clown does nothing to provide food and shelter to his own people. Venezuela should be enjoying the oil revenues created by the boom in oil. Instead, the economy is languishing with that dictator in charge.

Really? "...arrangements outside the status quo"? Stealing the wealth of his own nation and screaming and shrieking about evil capitalists have been around a long time. There is nothing new here.

If a self-destructive clown making a fool of himself in front of the world is amusing, then I suppose it is. Of course, for the people of Venezuela it isn't funny at all....

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1