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This plans existed. It also existed plans to kill 70% of all Austrians - even Hitler was born there. Maybe it also existed plans to kill all Americans. The Nazis were incredible morderous.
again, source?
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again, source?
For example: 14 Million russian soldiers and 7 million russian civilists. What do you like to hear? Read the Book from Joachim Fest "Hitler", that's a very good book - or take a look here: http://www.his-online.de/cms.asp?IDN=297&H='792' ... it's not a secret what happened in this days. You can find everywhere lots of serios and good informations about.
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For example: 14 Million russian soldiers and 7 million russian civilists. What do you like to hear? Read the Book from Joachim Fest "Hitler", that's a very good book - or take a look here: http://www.his-online.de/cms.asp?IDN=297&H='792' ... it's not a secret what happened in this days. You can find everywhere lots of serios and good informations about.
I wanted to know in which document the plan to kill all Slavs and 70% of Austrians was detailed in.
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I wanted to know in which document the plan to kill all Slavs and 70% of Austrians was detailed in.
Do you think the Nazis were idiots? You will find never a paper where Hitler gives diirectly the order to kill Jews. He himelf never killed only one man. The devil never does the work itself.

But everyone who knows how Hitler and his criminals worked, knows that this is true and he would kill the austrian people on day. Hitlers "plan" was in the end to kill everyone. Maybe it was a very complictae way to do suicide what he did because he was not blond and he had no blue eyes.

I have jewish ancestors and I'm blond and blue eyed for example and the Nazis will kill me immediatley if they can do so. They don't care wether I'm a German or not.
In the end it will be the reason to have some dirty nails - and they will kill you. Doesn't make any matter. A Nazi will kill himself if he thinks that he is not a member of the white race. There is no way to survive with Nazism - independent is someone likes or hate Nazism. The pychological background is amok in this case and has nothing do do with ratio or love.
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If I may, perhaps I can point you folks to a source of contemporary information on Hitler's various schemes.
The OSS archives for WW2 have only been declassified in recent years. Rutgers University has hosted some of these files in PDF form. So far I've read his masterplan to destroy Christianity, and detailed psychological profiles of Hitler himself done by noted psychologists of the day. Its some pretty interesting reading.

Theres also a few sites which reproduce NAZI propaganda of the era. The NAZIs weren't really keeping much secret when it came to declaring their hatred for specific ethnic groups.
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Find Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and Ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS).
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[Senate votes to exempt Saddam's Iraq from suits | Politics | Reuters].

The bill has been changed and voted on, apparently.
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Find Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and Ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS).
Stalin killed 20 million russians. Always the wrong people have the wrong informations. "Himmler" was a joke in the german army. Hitler laughed about his stupidity. He was called "Reichsheini" from his own Waffen-SS. Unfortunately no one took him really serious. Also Hitler was not taken serious. The Nazis in total were not taken serios enough. But be sure: I take it very serios if someone like you says, he likes to have 2 million more killed german women. The russian army in this days was a desater - and the russian soldiers were without honor and very cruel. Russia pressed for decades a big part of Europe. This should end now and there is no place for a wrong kind of proudness. Try to help the democracy in russia, that ist nearly not existing anymore. Would be better instead saying stupid things.
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Some independent informations in german from the jewish community about "Der Generalplan Ost": Shoa.de - Der Generalplan Ost
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Find Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and Ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS).
I know all about that. The main point I was trying to make is that, from a historical standpoint, we cannot say for certain what was planned in Gerneralplan Ost since no copies survive. To put fourth anything surrounding the plan as the "truth" is dangerous and scholarly dishonest. If anything, the memos and other suppliments (like the one you provided) point out that "killing all the slavs" was never the plan.
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... To put fourth anything surrounding the plan as the "truth" is dangerous and scholarly dishonest. ...
Scholary the world is not existing and I don't believe in school - I believe in god and his truth and I tell you: the Nazis would kill every single person on this planet including themselves. The darwinistic view of the world that only the powerful are able to survive will kill in the end everyone. There are lots of philosophies in the world that are in the same way. But you are in the USA - so this cannot happen because "in god you trust" - or isn't it anymore in this way? To trust in god means to hear to the voice of love and listen to the voice of life. Never - never - never - trust anyone who thinks that death can be a solution for problems. Not even the death of an enemy is solving only one important problem. Killomania is always the wrong way.
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That was mistake. Our problem is that we are too kind. This must be corrected. They should kill him, because this poor 17-18 y.o. child was a MURDERER.
Propaganda in Soviet Union told that German people were forced by evil Hitler to work on him. And that german people are not responsible for the crimes of Hitler. Of course, this was a lie.
Boy what sort of cheap vodka have you been drinking lately?

Your ideas/hate totaly contradict totaly with the stories/emotions most Germans and Russians have been telling me about the war and "the other" side.
Apart from battle and the ordinary, general % of stupid, born assholes, there hasn't been that much real and never forgetable hatred.
Maybe it's been because both armies had to serve under brutal dictators and those dictator bastards haven't given a shit about their own people. So deep down in their heart little Fritz and Ivan knew that it was not a personal, real quarrel.

Just to bad that 60 years later, you seem to be unwilling or unable to see that.
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