Hmm, Nazis and conspiracies. Guess this thread is over.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Lousy answer.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

But its true.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No it isn't. If you had any clue about America and Americans you would see how totally fucked your statement is.

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Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

Then nearly every German is wrong. Gitmo is nothing like a concentration camp of WW2.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

And the Talibans are Wahabitians, like the saudi-arabians. Taliban are living in Pakitsan and Whabits are living in saudi-arabia. So: What to do in Afghanistan?

So what? Does this mean anything for Germany - does this mean anything for the USA? Are the afghanian people not able to live if we don't exist?

Themselves? Nato? One Nato-member was attacked: the USA in 9/11. The war in Afgahni9stan is now lonmger then world war II and take a look to the results. It's a joke.

Do you really think the islamists have any idea what they are doing? Maybe they are doing war - but this war happens in the islamic world and not in the west. The USA is a devil in the definition of the islamists - and they are evil in the definition of the US-government. Two empty nuts - that's all. Th eUS tried to act like a devil in Abhu Graib and other situations - they like to act like a devil in the eyes of the west. Devcil against devil was the dangerous situation between Stalin and Hitler. We need another way - this way is not working.

Sorry - but this is a pragmatic way of thinking - and I'm not a pragmatic thinker, who thinks that the mighty are automatically right because they are mighty.

Why we are not speaking directly with the Taliban? Perhaps they have some good ideas too. Why war? Is it necessary? Every suicide bomber that is not doing suicide is our winning. Why to kill people? The islamists like this, because this is helping them. In any case we should try not to kill someone. I think this is more successful in the end - (and - by the way - it's more dangerous and not less dangerous)

Take a look in the history of Aghanistan. There was always war in the region. First are the fighters - then come the future fighters (the male kids), then the bearer of the fighters (wifes) and then the future bearer of the fighters (daughters). Live is fight in this area. They must fight. But they must fight for other things. They know everything about wars in this area - this is nothing they have to learn. It's better to learn peace.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Yes, this is way annoying that people around the world don't eat the childish cheap lies anymore. It was so convenient to call everything beyond the Murdoch's media the "conspiracy theories" and "rubbish".
The only problem is to force people buy it. And the bad news are they don't and you've run out of fresh dodges. This, surely will not stop the raiding wars of the US, but in the least international community will start to call a spade a spade. As for american society - it's free to go on nervously giggling and fooling itself inside of it's informational bubble. Now thanks for attention, you can return to watching the Rambo 4. What was there? Oh, yeah, terrible Muanmar, the Reign of Terror, how else? Real clash between tourism and cinema industries, ha-ha-ha).

dude, Rambo fucking ruled. Did you get a chance to see it?

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

It is true. Guantanamo is a rightless place. It is a concentration camp outisde the rules of god and men.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No it isn't. You comparison, if anything, diminishes what the concentration camps were.

BTW, America is a nation of laws, not of God and men.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

Can you explain me in short words why Russia fought a few years ago in Afghanistan and why Russia lost this war? What were the reasons? Which problems has Russia in the moment with islamists?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Didn't Russia have more than twice the number of ground troops in Afghanistan compared to current US/NATO deployments and its own puppet government? Has Afghanistan ever been conquered?

Guantanamo is a concentraration camnp. A sickness of the thoughts. I don't know why the USA likes to have this sickness.

And if you say the USA is not a nation of god and men but of laws then I'm asking myself: for what - for heavens sake - do you need laws? Where is your reset button?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No - but it were very hard fights of an unbelievable cruelness. Afghanistan looks like heaven if you compare this days. And afterward came the Talibans - and now we are in. Maybe next time comes China. I don't know which stupid game this is - but I'm very sad if I think on the afghanian people. I would wish it woudl work and peace would come as soon as possible. But as long as it isn't in this way we should try to have a position that is as near to peace as it is possible.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

How? Where is the forced labor? Where are the gas chambers? Where are the ovens? Where is the poor food? Where is the prohibitions on religious practices? Where is the inadequate medical attention?

reset button? Wtf are you talking about?

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance