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What are we doing in Afghanistan?

Can anyone help me? I would like to know, what we are doing in Afghanistan. Seems some preople have a lot of fun to fight with the Taliban (whatever this is) in Afghanistan. But why?
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Re: What are we doing in Afghanistan?

The Germans aren't doing much in Afghanistan at all.

I've nothing against Germany, but I find the way that your military is chilling up in the north while other countries, like Canada and Denmark, get whaled on in the south, like Kandahar, absolutely disgraceful.
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Can anyone help me? I would like to know, what we are doing in Afghanistan. Seems some preople have a lot of fun to fight with the Taliban (whatever this is) in Afghanistan. But why?
Well, if we leave, the Taliban we'll just come back and everything will be the same as before in 2001... it's like nothing happened, at the same time, they are just keep on coming and coming and coming from Pakistan... something needs to be done in Pakistan, but giving the instability and the situation of Pakistan, things are going to be the same for a long time...
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The Germans aren't doing much in Afghanistan at all.
Not? Hmmm - it was a minimum of twenty years civil wars - and now that's not anymore in this way where german soldiers are. But you're right: We are not senseless fighting with people that never attacked Germany - and Afghans or Talibans never attacked Germany.

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I've nothing against Germany, but I find the way that your military is chilling up in the north while other countries, like Canada and Denmark, get whaled on in the south, like Kandahar, absolutely disgraceful.
Okay - seems for me you don't know, why german soldiers are in Afgahnsitan - but you like to have more fun in seeing fighting soldiers. I have no idea why german soldier should do a lousy job and kill some people to demonstrate the power of the West. That makes absolutely no sense in my mind. One who is mighty has no need to kill people - except he likes to have more hate.

But let me remember: Wasn't it in this way, that amercicans invaded Afghanistan to catch Osama Bin Laden? This was a answer of 9/11 in december 2001. The pressure to the american people in this days was very high to do something and so they did something. Germany in this days tried to help the United States. But within a short while the international politics of the USA drove very crazy.

I remember that I was in this days very astonished, that the taliban had the same religious structure as the saudi-arabians - and I asked myself how it is possible, that saudi-arabia is using the US-Army to help the government in Riad against some people that maybe like to have the power in Riad.
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Well, if we leave, the Taliban we'll just come back and everything will be the same as before in 2001...
Depends. The islamism - a regeneration of the islam and a frustrations of the globalism - is increasing. Seems for me lots of people don't like to have russian solutions, european solutions or american solution for their problems, because they don't trust christian nations. We are only on more enemy in Afghanistan and if we help in Afghanistan, then they will praise Allah - but not the western politics and the western waste of money.

You should also not forget, why german soldiers are respected from lots of muslims: We killed millions of Jews in concentrations camps during WWII. Germany is a very special case.

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it's like nothing happened, at the same time, they are just keep on coming and coming and coming from Pakistan...
So it's a problem of Pakistan.

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something needs to be done in Pakistan, but giving the instability and the situation of Pakistan, things are going to be the same for a long time...
Maybe Ghandi was right. It made no sense to create this new muslim nation - but now it's to late. On the other hand. The american politics is often a politics of little children with machine guns. So no one is really shure who killed Bhutto. If someones death is in the interest of the mighty then the mighty are often criminals too.
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Not? Hmmm - it was a minimum of twenty years civil wars - and now that's not anymore in this way where german soldiers are. But you're right: We are not senseless fighting with people that never attacked Germany - and Afghans or Talibans never attacked Germany.
9/11 was not only an attack on USA, it was an attack on the whole Westerns world, and World Trade Center was one of its symbol. Germany is also a possible target of terrorism as France is.
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You should also not forget, why german soldiers are respected from lots of muslims: We killed millions of Jews in concentrations camps during WWII. Germany is a very special case.
So, what? You want to keep this "advantage" over the Muslim world? :/

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So it's a problem of Pakistan.
Pakistan can't even control its own territory so I don't know how can they deal with Afghanistan.
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9/11 was not only an attack on USA, it was an attack on the whole Westerns world, and World Trade Center was one of its symbol. Germany is also a possible target of terrorism as France is.
So what? How can we kill terrorism if we kill some afghanian or pakistanian people whose names we don't know yet? What did they do? Who gives us the right to kill some people, because we don't like them? The allmighty president of the United states? Shall we begin to kill americans, because americans maybe can be terrorists? Are we allowed to conquer Pakistan or Saudi Arabia to solve this problems? What can we really do in Afghanistan?

The american way of thinking about problems seems often completly in another way than the german way of thinking about. Can you imagine for example that the US-Army is attacking some people in the world, if 85% of all americans don't like to do so? This is the situation: 85% of all Germans thinks, that it makes no sense to send soldiers to Afghanistan. By the way: it's forbidden in our constituition that we do so and everyone in the world is asking continously to change our contitution. Why? Most people also don't like changes in our constituion.

And no one in Germany really lives in fear of terrorism. Why should we live in fear? We had a lot of fun last year for example with the world championship of soccer. Was very nice and we had lots of people from allover the world in Germany as guests. They had a lot of fun too. It was very easy to kill hundreds - maybe thousands - of people and we knew it. So what? We took care as good as we could, ignored the problems we cannot solve and had fun. By the way: thanks god.

I think the terrorism is a game no one likes really to play. The western world was attacked in three ways in 9/11: economic (WTC), military (Pentagon) and politically (Washington). What are we doing in fight against terrorism? We are wasting money (economy), we are fighting military against a stone aged culture and the english spoken part of the world tries to see its kind of pragmatic thinking as an absolutism. I don't like the philosophy "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - it's a stupid philosophie.
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Re: What are we doing in Afghanistan?

We are in Afghanistan because the one who master mind 9/11 was in Afghanistan and protected by the Talibans which makes them accomplice.
We (France-Germany) are not in Iraq because it has nothing to do with 9/11.

The problem is that the worked has been done in Afghanistan, it has been freed, but we are constantly being attacked. We are not "killing people" we are killing the one who are attacking us, which are Talibans and soldiers.

We are not attacking Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia... and we won't...
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So, what? You want to keep this "advantage" over the Muslim world? :/
You are from China? Five or six nuclear weapons - what do you think? Perhaps 10 - and China ist complety destroyed and all its people will dy. That is the world we are living in today. Makes it any sense to do so?

Every nation in the world that has nuclear weapons is unattackable. What's the difference to other nations?

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We are also not able to solve our own problems. How can someone think that someone is able to solve the problems of other countries?
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We are in Afghanistan because the one who master mind 9/11 was in Afghanistan ...
That's not true. Osama Bin Laden was a saudi-arbian. The most terrorists of 9/11 came from saudi-arabia.
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Well, if we leave, the Taliban we'll just come back and everything will be the same as before in 2001...
This means we all did a very lousy job in the last years - or it means the people like it not our way, perhaps they like it their way.

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it's like nothing happened, at the same time, they are just keep on coming and coming and coming from Pakistan... something needs to be done in Pakistan, but giving the instability and the situation of Pakistan, things are going to be the same for a long time...
If I painted my house last year blue - and this year I don't like to live in a blue house anymore - what can I do? Using a machine gun for this problem and paint it red?
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You are from China? Five or six nuclear weapons - what do you think? Perhaps 10 - and China ist complety destroyed and all its people will dy. That is the world we are living in today. Makes it any sense to do so?

Every nation in the world that has nuclear weapons is unattackable. What's the difference to other nations?



We are also not able to solve our own problems. How can someone think that someone is able to solve the problems of other countries?
I am French currently living in Shanghai. Don't understand why you are talking about nuclear weapons...

Afghanistan is also our problem because of what the people who used to be in charge did on USA. (9/11...)
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That's not true. Osama Bin Laden was a saudi-arbian. The most terrorists of 9/11 came from saudi-arabia.
And he was living in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban. And many terrorists come also from even Westerns world.
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