Tell that to the people of Iraq; Poland went into that nation to steal their oil while Britain was one of the first one's in that nation dropping bombs. Additional EU nations that participated in that war of aggression were Denmark, Spain, the Czech Republic, Netherlands, Estonia, Portugal, Latvia and Italy.

Iraq Coalition - Non-US Forces in Iraq

The EU minds it's own business until it is time to impose it's will on a defenceless victim. I will not even embarass you by citing Germany's support of the Apartheid state of Israel against the subjugated Palestinians.

If you consider a loss of sovereignty to be an advantage you are correct; you will never make that visible to me...

I was talking about the ordinary european. Who was protesting in the streets when he realized his gouvernment was willing to fuck things up together with that girl from west texas.


What do you expect. Ordinary germans still twitch nervously when you say words like "Jude" or "Nazis" to them. Especially people from eastern Europe still love to play the Hitler-card. I can't blame the jews for that, especially not when it comes to gather money for their illegal occupation and the upkeep of artificial existance as a people.

I think Russia is going to be more and more dependent on Europe and eventually they will realize they need both Nato and the EU. In the perspective of a few decades, their geopolitical situation is extremely weak.

Russia, ah the Motherland. Always a thorn in the side of Western nations. When will we realize that Russia will always resist our influence and make more significant moves to thwart there ambitions now. Please they want the rise of another Russian Empire, they want to be important. And if we do not make the move now to unite the West and favorable East against the rising threat we will face another antagonistic Superpower. The Eastern Empire is rising again, the only question is which side do we choose.

My Two Cents, Prometheus

What they want is not the same thing as what is possible to achieve on their own. How can Russia compete on equal terms with giants like the EU and China? They will sooner or later realize that they are vastly outnumbered in every way except in nuclear weapons, and when they realize their true value they will have to ally with stronger neighbours like the EU. And we should accept them without fuss, if they want to be europeans they are very welcome.

Russia has always wanted to be understood and accepted on equal terms by the West, but never achieved this because of the country's backwardness and political culture. Closer ties with the West could help Russia form a democratic society, much more stable and reliable in the long run than authoritarian rule.

Poor Swisses and Norges, vastly outnumbered in every way exept cheese, watches and oil, ununderstood and not accepted likely because of their backwardness and political culture, - when at last will you give them permission to be europeans?

Comparing Russia with Switzerland and Norway?

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Norway and Switzerland would be accepted immediately as members if they applied, they have stable economies and developed democracies. They are small countries with friendly and stable neighbors.

The same can hardly be said about Russia. The country has separatists, civil war, human rights issues, chauvinistic politicians, a dwindling population, milllions of nationals outside its borders who wants Russia to meddle in their new countries, at the same time China is expanding its influence in some of these countries.

If history has anything to teach, it is that Russia has only small chances of surviving this century as an empire.

Counterwise, I outline the huge difference. And despite this difference and the fact that these two countries have full ability to be part of EU they don't. Strange thing, accordingly Gideon's vision no country can survive without blocking either to EU or China.

As you said yourself, the quiet cozy and developed Norway and Switzerland don't apply for the EU membership, and as far as I know there is no panic down there that they have not joined great blocks and are doomed to be lost in upcoming age. Why you expect dirty bad wrong Russia to hurry up to EU? Or, to your mind, the EU is something like natural harbour for losers of all sorts?
Anyway and whatever you think about my land, definitely your own logic directs Russia towards instances of Switzerland and Norway - independent prosperous nations.
Yawn. Sweden has only small chances of surviving this century as an empire. Why do I speak this nonsense? Who cares? Who can restrict?.. One must buy the chair in IKEA first and only after that this chair might trouble him once broken. To be worried about surviving as empire, one should build up empire first.

Do you really think that if Russia would join EU, Europeans would support Russia in war with China? Of course, not. Europeans can not fight anymore. In this scenario if EU would have the conflict with China, the main victim will be Russia, and EU won't help.

I support the idea of alliance of Russia and China against USA and EU. China would not attack its ally, and in possible conflict Russia and China would win EU and USA, of course.

It would be the big mistake for Russia to join EU and NATO.

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Please watch this:


Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

Because Russia isn't in the same position as Norway or Switzerland, for reasons I gave earlier.

Lets get medieaval, or rather middle-earth... -al, there is a good analogy here. These countries, Switzerland and Norway, are like the Shire. Russia is like Gondor who thinks they can hold on their own, but not only rightly fear attack from Mordor, but also in their paranoia irrationally fear it from Rohan and even the Undying lands. Forgive me for comparing americans to elves. It doesn't look good for Gondor.

Why do you think Russia with only a hundred million people (give it a few decades and that's how many you are) could survive in its present huge territory? Historically the chances look slim.

I want Russia to join the EU because I think you belong in Europe, as a european nation, and I'd like all of present day Russia to be a part of that. I also want Russia to join because, frankly, you're so darn stubborn in your paranoia about the West and maybe membership could change that. Historically there have been many conflict between Russia and the rest of Europe, it doesn't have to be that way in the future, and the best and safest way to avoid it is closer cooperation. The EU offers close cooperation.

And come on. China? Do you know how annoying and rude and loud chinese can be? Not to mention it's a dictatorship with whom Russia fought a war as late as 1969, and they probably have plans for central asia where lots of russians still live.

Well, if Europe can't fight, there is hardly any reason to fear military aggression from Europe, is there? Then any military threat against Russia must come from somewhere else. As I have been arguing.

Regardless of the military strength of Europe, which I am not going to argue about, there is a massive economical strength. We're just your friendly jolly neighbour.

Why would Russia want to trade in its sovereignty to become a member of another largely Bolshevik bloc of nations? About Russia being a European nation? Considering EU immigration policies I have to ask what constitutes "european" nowadays? The EU is trying to transform their bloc into a new version of Pakistan and will jail anyone who complains about it; this is what constitutes "european?"

The Russians have good reason for paranoia; any nation that is expected to surrender its sovereignty to a foreign court and a foreign government in exchange for exploitation, destructive immigration polices and a loss of self-determination should be paranoid when examining the motives of the Bolshevik EU...

Russia was once a slave to a leftist red empire; I see no reason for them to want to return to such rule or even risk it...

Thanks to the policies of Vladimir Putin the Russians are experiencing a baby boom right now. Unlike the EU the Russians are working to fix their population shortfall from within instead of merely importing legions of radicals from the Middle East to remedy the problem...

The EU would want Russia to steal its resources, destroy the cultural and lineal heritage of all Russian peoples and likely use your nation as dumping ground for all of the criminals they import. Of course this is my personal belief...