Some people believe in god and most people in stupidities.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-QCvB4m1U

The analogy with the J.R. Tolkien is funny, but your attempt to avail it to depict reality amazes. All these past centuries we got tired of defending our soil and freedom from "Rohan", and last time cost us 25 mln. lives. We never saw such barbarist prospects anythere as from "Rohan"'s kulturtraegers and don't know what Mordor you speak about. There is no worse Mordor then fascist Europe, by the word "fascist" I mean the original meaning "fasio", "bundnis", i.e. united for cruel colonial raid. You can not unite for any other reason as only for expansion or Crusade. You must see the horizonts far in the ME or "Wild East", otherwise you simply don't know what to do together. Europe is highly worried that "eurointegration" can slow down, some politicians openly say it threatens(!!!) the existence of EU.
"Mordor", if I got you right you meant China, acquired freedom from western and Japanese enslavement after Great War with great price and now first time for centuries benefits from it's souvereignity. The 1969's small clash between USSR and China was only military incident between us and can not be compared to endless history of western invasions. In fact, you appeal us to be afraid of Mordor we never had problems with. In other word, we will be surprised to have misunderstanding with China while we will not be surprised at all to be assaulted by "elves" and "Rohan".
Look up at your rhetoric. Your vision of the future world is vision of global conflict and war, your blocking obcession is nothing else then preparation for conflict and accumulating better starting positions, Europe+somebody against somebody else. Orthodox Russia and confucian China see the future of Earth as blooming garden. We are two civilisations which don't share the consumerism priority; if natural resourses will run low, both we and Chinks will reduce the consumption and unite for pragmatic moon program rather then kill small nations sitting on the oil or clench the throats to one another in resource war.
We are glad that people in Europe and in the US are prosperous, we are glad to your successes. The people in the US and Europe are greatly anxious and threatened about our growing well being. You just project your own mentality onto the things you can not comprehend. Economical growth of China means it will assault you one day, how else if this is only normal logic which you accustomed to? How else if you yourself would assault, subdue, clamp and colonise others in this case?

Don't worry about our territory. If we are doomed to decline to 10 millons, this will be enough to annihilate anyone greedy for anothers people property. Nuclear weapons has changed the old way of dominance. Number means greater possible losses in absolute value and nothing else. And be sure we nuke our own territory if invader army+ colonists would try to put to the annexation the de-facto status.
Close cooperation is welcome and all positive experience of European nations will be used. But our souvereignity doesn't hurt us. We were long enough the donating part of Soviet Union and political expansionist shit of Communism abroad, now just want to care about ourselves outside of any union and agenda. This is a bit egoistic for sure, but we rearrange our own resourses, territory and income for ourselves. We renovate our home for life of future generations, not for global stand-off inspired and glorified by international Jewish extremists.
The real plans of the US for Central Asia are more important then probable plans of China. Chinese traders are better then US' bombs and terrorist actions.

I ignored your insults and demanded an answer to my post in this thread, but you prefered to ignore me. Well, since you don't seem to be interested in discussions and only here to pontificate people, I will add you to my ignore-list. Congrats, it was empty for the last two years and though I am rarely on this board, I somehow feel this is the only message that will pass your reality-filter. And please stop pretenting youre a german, I AM german and I simply don't buy it.

Weird thread.

Nobel laureate estimates wars' cost at more than $3 trillion

3 Trillions? $3.000.000.000.000 / 26.000.000 = $150000 in 5 years since 2003 that means 30000 Dollars a year for every Iraqi - and the only someone has to do for this money is it not to be killed from american soldiers? Why - for heavens sake - did you not attack Germany? I could also need some money.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-QCvB4m1U

They did attack Germany, but that was back in 1945.

In 1945 was war? Damned. Why noone never is telling me the interesting stories. Does this mean every german is getting now $30000 times 63 Years? Would be $1.890.000 for me - in total about $154.980.000.000.000 for whole Germany. Good deal. We can buy whole Sweden it they pay us that we don't kill americans.

By the way: Once there was a sweden king (Gustav II. Adolf), who did war in Germany in the years 1618-1648 too. 50% (some say 66%) of all Germans were killed in this european war in Germany. Comparing this, World War II was just a fun in the late afternoon.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-QCvB4m1U

That is a lie. The 30 years war was responsible for the drop of population, Gustav only took part in it for short time with a few thousand men.

He turned the tide of war, the catholics had almost won when he intervened, fearing a catholic/imperial naval presence in the Baltic, and swedish led armies where very succesfull, thanks to new tactics and backed up by a centralized military state the preussians could only dream about.

Maybe the number of ethnically swedish troops wasn't that large (the swedes fought to the last finn, as they say in Finland), but there where tens of thousands of troops from all over Europe under swedish command.

When things turned bad they retreated to the coast and burned Pomerania to the ground to create a wasteland between central Germany and the coast, so that no one could live there and grow supplies to an advancing imperial army. The emperors troops couldn't reach them.

We still got loot from Prague, btw.