well, its cool.....money is the name of the game.....and israel has zero oil......so what the heck right....not like austria is a non willing partner in the holocaust either...or was it? I forget..all those teutonic slav types get me mixed up.


The New Kill-Israel Axis
By P. David Hornik
Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Iran wants to hang the Jewish state—and Germany and Austria are selling it the rope.


Earlier this month when Austrian foreign minister Ursula Plassnik visited Israel, Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert and foreign minister Tzipi Livni tried to convince her of the importance of strong sanctions against Teheran. There’s no evidence they had any success; Austrian-Iranian ties appear to be too lucrative for such persuasion to work.


In April 2007 the Austrian oil company OMV signed a major deal with Iran for a joint natural gas project. As Simone Dinah Hartmann of STOPTHEBOMB noted Monday in an informative op-ed,


The total investment amounts to 22 billion euros over the next 25 years. Experts believe that these revenues will be used to finance the Iranian nuclear weapons program and undermine present international sanctions.







Austria’s Social Democratic chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer has said his government will not interfere in business transactions. But this is at best a bad joke: the state of Austria holds 31.5% of OMV’s shares. The company’s CEO, Wolfgang Ruttensdorfer, is a former official of the Social Democratic party, which has always been tight with OMV.


Indeed, as Hartmann further points out,


this deal [with Iran] is backed by all parties represented in the Austrian parliament. Social Democrats, Conservatives, Greens and the far right have closed ranks against demands to cancel the negotiations with Iran.


This wall-to-wall unity is in the service of a venerable tradition: OMV, a firm with a good nose for carrion, was selling gas to the Soviet Union just after it crushed the Prague Spring in 1968, to Libya in the 1980s, and to Sudan from the late 1990s till 2003 when it was the last international corporation to leave the country. State-backed OMV is always looking for a new venture in tyranny, terror, and mass murder to fuel, and these days what better client is there than the mullahs?


And OMV is only the cutting edge of the relationship; Austria’s total exports to Iran have doubled since 2002. Still, the OMV deal could catapult this trade from millions to billions, and it’s no surprise that the president of Iran’s Chamber of Commerce, Ali Naghi Khamoushi, said in November 2006 that “Austria is the gate to the European Union for us.”


The OMV deal has drawn criticism in the West, including from German chancellor Angela Merkel.


But as a recent Jerusalem Post editorial noted, “this is close to the pot calling the kettle black.”


Germany, too, treats Teheran as a market it can’t do without: “Germany is Iran’s largest European trading partner and has been the most resistant to tightening sanctions among the pivotal EU-3—the UK, France and Germany.”


Another of the Post’s recent important articles on Europe and Iran gives more of the details:


In 2007, Germany sold €3.5 billion of goods to Iran, including €1.5 billion worth of engineering products and high tech equipment. Security and terrorism experts argue that Germany is uniquely positioned to tighten the economic screws on Iran.


…The growing infrastructure of the Iranian economy is heavily dependent on German technological know-how. Michael Tockuss, the former president of the German-Iranian Chamber of Commerce in Teheran, said, “Some two-thirds of Iranian industry relies on German engineering products.”


…Critics assert that sophisticated engineering technology lends itself to “dual-usage,” and can be rapidly converted for nuclear military purposes.


…Siemens . . . whose economic deals total over half a billion dollars in Iran, conceded in late January that it spent €19 million to bribe Iranian officials to do business with it….



Although German exports to Iran shrank by 15% percent last year [a claim that has been placed in doubt], a dramatic 50% increase of Iranian exports to Germany, totaling €580 million, took place in 2007.

It’s not that Germany and Austria are Iran’s only partners in Europe. Just in the past year Dutch, Spanish, and Norwegian firms have been dealing and talking with Teheran on natural gas projects. Total, France’s oil company, continues to invest millions per year in the mullahcracy. And while 40% of Iran’s trade is with Europe, only 1% of Europe’s trade is with Iran—yet even this Europe is loath to give up.


Still, for Israel the leading roles of Germany and Austria have a special resonance. For these two countries—which in March will be marking seventy years since their Anschluss—the first Holocaust was largely a matter of ideology. The second, if it transpires, will be a matter of heaps of shiny euros.


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Ahhhh I already intellectually beat Hornik down once...

Fueling the Gaza Jihad(?)

That is enough...

This is nothing but slander. Israel has Europe to thank for the Bomb, to which existence it owes its survival, US illusions to the contrary notwithstanding. Having nuclear weapons, Israel is perfectly able to defend itself, even IF Iran were to obtain nuclear weapons of its own. There's no risk of a new Holocaust, at least no more risk than the rest of the world incurs, what with the nuclear sword hanging over all our heads.

You are obviously uninformed, Anti Semitism is on the rise in France, Europe, and especially Russia. It happened once, it can happen again, and it probably will, but not in gas chambers, but Nuclear clouds over Isareli cities. Or rather it will be attempted by Isarel's enemies, but as in other wars they will fail.

Yes, Israel has the bomb, so we think. Just as we thought Saddam Hussein was pursuing WMD's. But that's beside the point, Iran in the hands of a mad man such as Ahmadinejad would not hesitate to launch a preimitive strike on Israel.

I am uninformed? LOL. And you know this how? Maybe antisemitism is on the rise in the US, I wouldn't know.

We don't think, we perfectly well know, having helped them develop it, and knowing that they have tested it, and that it works. And that they have adequate delivery system to obliterate Iran.

Bullshit. You know nothing of the sort. Ahmadinejad would not be in control of nuclear weapons in any case, even assuming that Iran had any in the first place, which it doesn't.

Do you like to produce international sanctions als long as Iran has nothing to loose anymore? The other spooltuion woulnd be Iran si asleliugn natural gas to Rissia and Rossia is seling the gaz to europe. But Russia vemiopmes moter and mote an undemocratic state. Seems the USA is selleoping very very deep soince since Bush is its president. It seems some püeple have to drive to Boston to make a tea party to explain some americans, that the national laws of the USA are national laws of the USA and not international laws.

The main reason for theis businenss is ERissia, I thnk. Russia is loosing democratic structures. Itz'Äs not teh ebst way that UISan is selling energy to Russia and Eripope is buying it from Russia. This maybe desatbalizes eruope if itz don't take care now. Europes mission is not to sell the eruopean lifestyle.- Europes mission is to take care for their people. If Israel needs enegy maybe it can get iranian gas too. Why not? If the Iran is not selling energy to Israel we can do it. One can use a rope in many ways.

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Unfortunaletly I'm not able to edit the text again. Here's the corrected text:

Do you like to produce international sanctions als long as Iran has nothing to loose anymore? The other solution would be Iran is selling natural gas to Russia and Russia is selling the gas to europe. But Russia becomes more and more an undemocratic state. Seems some people have to drive to Boston to make a tea party to explain some americans, that the national laws of the USA are national laws of the USA and not international laws.

The main reason for this business is Russia, I think. Russia is loosing democratic structures. It's not the best way that Iran is selling energy to Russia and europe is buying it from Russia. This maybe destabalizes europe if it don't take care now. Europes mission is not to sell the european lifestyle. Europes mission is to take care for their people. If Israel needs enegy maybe it can get iranian gas too. Why not? If the Iran is not selling energy to Israel we can do it perhaps. One can use a rope in many ways - and the american ways using a rope seem to be really very special and typically bush-american.

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I'm perfectly fine with our trade philosophy towards Iran. Unlike Israel, Iran was not recently involved into wars of aggression and is NOT trying to realize a genocidal Lebensraum ideology (though many Iranians obviously have one, too, namely the extinction of the israelian people). I also think the Iranians need nuclear bombs. In the long run, it is the only thing which keeps the Zionist aggressors and their american poodle away. It's not our fault that Israel decided to permanently fuck up things with their neighbours by turning palestine in one big Warsaw-style Ghetto. Those who seed wind will harvest storm. That is the thing the jews should have learned from OUR fate, copying and improving our grandfather's techniques of ethnic cleansing will in the end only bring them our grandfathers' fate. And the idea that this will be a feature of german engineering products is, to my mind, ridiculous.

You are complety crazy and no one should take you serious. In total more than 40 nations in the world are able to produce nuclear weapons immediately if they like to do so. But no one is doing it and that has very very good reasons. Even some iranian ayatolllahs speak about that nuclear weapons are unislamic weapons - because there is no other way to use them without killing innocent people. And every innocent man or woman that is killed is the same as killing a complete universe of life. You should not think that all peopple are stupid in the world and also not all iranian people are as stupid as you are. The Iran needs realistic chances and not the stupid Nazi thinking from this criminal Ahmadinedschad or other complete crazy iranians.

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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
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I only can hope, that you are not a German. You don't have any idea what in the Ghetto in Warschau - and other locations - more than 60 years ago happend. If you are a german you are a criminal - nothing else.

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Anobistar, I feel free to ignore you until you answer this post of mine:

Russia is getting stronger; we are getting weaker

So far, that's all I'm interested to hear from you. And I still stand by ALL the statements I have made previosly in this thread.

That is modern German mentality for you folks; telling the truth about Israel equates to being a criminal...

Antisemitism nothing else. The palestinian people (=arabs) are living in a paradise if you compare this. It's our fault that the Israeli = Jews are making nearly no mistakes anymore and they don't trust people that like to kill them.

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Not according to a couple of EU politicians who visited the Gaza Strip!

Two British MPs compare Gaza Strip to Warsaw ghetto - Haaretz - Israel News

Get over your misplaced guilt! Nobody is forcing Israel to create a regime of Apartheid in the Occupied Palestinian Territories nor is anyone forcing them to ethnically cleanse Palestinians out of their homes. Hell, if Israel only cared about security why would they put civilian settlements into a hostile territory? Why would they build a "security" wall on Palestinian land to encompass those settlements rather than on the Green Line which would give them security? The answer is simple; Israel is practicing a variation of Lebensraum; has nothing to do with security...

Instead of being a German who blames himself for the crimes of the Jewish Apartheid State why don't you actually place the blame where it belongs; on the Israeli thugs who are engaging in war crimes?

My guilt? What did I do? Israel is a democratic country and the 4000 arabian inhabitants of Jersualem in 186x are today millions of "palestinian" people (=arabs)??? In former time the expression "palestinian" was used for Jews and since arabs broke the olympic peace 1972 in Munich they are called "palestinians". Meanwhile it's in the way, that every palestinian got so much money from the European Union, that he could posess a own house and a own BMW if his own politicians would not steal all the money for themselves. If I would be a palestinian arab I would piss of the damned childrenfucking prophet Mohammed and become a Jew if I could live in peace in this case. All people in the world are nothing else than completly stupid - that's all - and that's the most important reason no one can live in peace.

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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery