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Old 03-08-2008
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Re: Why so much violence from one place?

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laca loves to start bullshit threads......
Oh dear what language, another expression of violent attitude, never end. What to say?
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For Germany the USA is like a seismometer of the societies. If I think of school massacres for example I would be happy if this don't will happen (in no country in the whole world) - but in the moment it happened in the USA in Germany we knew: it will also happen in Germany.
As we know Germany exhausted its desire for violence for next thousand years. Wasn't it enough?
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As we know Germany exhausted its desire for violence for next thousand years. Wasn't it enough?
Our very good friend

said last year:

On the occasion of the forty-eighth anniversary of the Tibetan people’s peaceful uprising in Lhasa in 1959, I offer my prayers and tribute to all those Tibetans who have suffered and sacrificed their lives for the cause of the Tibetan people. I also express my solidarity with those who are presently suffering repression and imprisonment.

In 2006, we witnessed both positive and negative changes in the People’s Republic of China. On the one hand, the hard-line position was intensified with a campaign of vilification against us, and more disquietingly, heightened political restriction and repression in Tibet. On the other hand, in China itself, we saw some improvement with regard to the freedom of expression. In particular, there is a growing feeling among Chinese intellectuals that material development alone is not sufficient and that there is a need to create a more meaningful society based on spiritual values. Views that the present system is inadequate to create such a society are gaining ground, as a result of which belief in religion in general, and particularly interest in Tibetan Buddhism and culture is growing. Moreover, there are many who express their wish that I make a pilgrimage to China and give teachings there.

President Hu Jintao’s continued call for a harmonious society is laudable. The basis for the realization of such a society is to foster trust among the people, which can take place when there is freedom of expression, truth, justice and equality. Therefore, it is important that officials at all levels not only take heed, but also implement these principles.

With regard to our relations with China, since around 1974, realizing the inevitability of an opportunity to engage some day in dialogue with China, we have made preparations to achieve genuine, unified autonomy for all Tibetans, as enshrined in the Chinese constitution. In 1979, China’s paramount leader Deng Xiaoping proposed that except for independence, all other issues regarding Tibet could be resolved through negotiations. As this was in accord with our thinking, we adopted a mutually-beneficial Middle-Way policy. Since then, for twenty-eight years, we have consistently and sincerely pursued this policy, which was formulated as a result of thorough discussion and analysis, based on the broad objectives of addressing the immediate and long-term interests of both Tibetans and Chinese, peaceful co-existence in Asia and protection of the environment. This policy has been endorsed and supported by many pragmatic Tibetans in and outside Tibet and by many countries.

The most important reason behind my proposal to have genuine national regional autonomy for all Tibetans is to achieve genuine equality and unity between the Tibetans and Chinese by eliminating big Han chauvinism and local nationalism. This will contribute to the country’s stability through mutual help, trust and friendship between the two nationalities and to the maintenance of our rich culture and language based on a proper balance between spiritual and material development for the benefit of the whole of humanity.

It is true that the Chinese constitution guarantees national regional autonomy to minority nationalities. The problem is that it is not implemented fully, and thus fails to serve its express purpose of preserving and protecting the distinct identity, culture and language of the minority nationalities. What happens on the ground is that large populations from the majority nationalities have spread in these minority regions. Therefore, the minority nationalities, instead of being able to preserve their own identity, culture and language, have no choice but to depend on the language and customs of the majority nationality in their day-to-day lives. Consequently, there is a danger of the languages and rich traditions of the minority nationalities becoming gradually extinct.

There is nothing wrong with infrastructural development such as railway in itself. However, it is a source of deep concern that ever since the railway line became operational, Tibet has seen a further increase in Chinese population transfer, deterioration of its environment, misuse and pollution of its water, and exploitation of its natural resources, all causing huge devastation to the land and all those who inhabit it.

Although there has been a certain number of educated and capable communist party members among the people of minority nationalities, it is unfortunate that very few of them have attained leadership positions at the national level and some of them have even been given different labels such as separatists.

In order to provide real benefits for both the majority and minority nationalities as well as the central and local governments, a meaningful autonomy should be put into place. Since this particular autonomy is for the minority nationalities, the demand for a single administration of the Tibetan nationality is sincere, just and transparent. It is clear to the world that we have no hidden agenda. As such it is the sacred duty of all Tibetans to continue our struggle towards fulfilling this reasonable demand. No matter how long it takes, our courage and determination shall remain unchanged until we fulfill our aspirations. The struggle of the Tibetan people is not about the struggle for the status of a few Tibetan individuals; it is the struggle of a people. We have already transformed the exile Tibetan administration and community into a genuine democratic system, with a succession of leaders elected for the people by the people themselves. We have thus set up a deeply-rooted, vibrant social and political institution that will carry forward our struggle from generation to generation. In the end, the ultimate decisions will be made democratically by the people themselves.

Since the resumption of direct contacts between the Tibetans and Chinese in 2002, my representatives have conducted five rounds of comprehensive discussion with concerned officials of the People’s Republic of China. In these discussions, both sides were able to express in clear terms the suspicions, doubts and real difficulties that exist between the two sides. These rounds of discussion have thus helped in creating a channel of communication between the two sides. The Tibetan delegation stands ready to continue the dialogue anytime, anywhere. The Kashag will provide the details in its statement.

I greet all those Tibetans in Tibet—communist party members, leaders, officials, professionals and others—who have held on to the Tibetan spirit by continuing their efforts to work for the genuine interest of the Tibetan people. I express my deep admiration for their immense courage to do whatever they can in the service of the people of Tibet. I also express my deep admiration to the Tibetans in Tibet who, against all odds, have made efforts to preserve the Tibetan identity, culture and language, and for their steadfast courage and determination in realizing the aspirations of Tibetan people. I am confident that they will continue to strive for our common cause, with renewed dedication and commitment. I urge all Tibetans in and outside Tibet to work unitedly for a secure future based on equality and harmony of nationalities.

I would like to take this opportunity to whole-heartedly thank the people and Government of India for their unwavering and unparalleled generosity and support to us. I also express my gratitude to all those governments and people in the international community for their concern and support to the Tibetan issue.

With my prayers for the peace and wellbeing of all sentient beings.


The Dalai Lama


source: The Statement of H.H. the Dalai Lama on the 48th Anniversary of the Tibetan National Uprising day
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Oh dear what language, another expression of violent attitude, never end. What to say?
Nothing else to say, she said it perfectly!
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Oh my God such cruel man. If you hate animals so much you must equally hate people as well.
Yeah, life is cruel, isn't it. I think YOU totally failed here, for some fanatic idiots are turning this soldier's life into a freakshow now. But the only thing which are you interested here is paraphrasing that you hate America. Why don't you just stop hiding behind faked feelings and shout it out?

Btw, I live in a society in which animals are killed at an industrialized scale. It's sick to kill animals for no reason, but as long as people are killed for no reason, I don't give a sh*t about an ownerless dead dog which died 3000 km away. It's like beeing depressed because a sack of rice toppled down in China.
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Re: Why so much violence from one place?

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China - cultural revolution: "We let him do self criticism until he died!". About 50 million cases or a hundred million times?

For Germany the USA is like a seismometer of the societies. If I think of school massacres for example I would be happy if this don't will happen (in no country in the whole world) - but in the moment it happened in the USA in Germany we knew: it will also happen in Germany. And it came in this way. But this doesn't mean it comes from the USA to Germany. It means only that the USA is in some cases faster than other nations and societies and the pulse of time is beating earlier. But fortunately this is also the way if good things are happening like the power peace and music from woodstock for example.

Or take a look at this song from Pink:

Na na na na na na na na
Dear Mr. President
come take a walk with me.
Let's pretend
we're just two people
and you're not better than me
I like to ask you some questions
if we can speak
honestly

What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?

How do you sleep while the rest of the world is cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye,
and tell me why?

Na na na na na na na na
Dear Mr. President,
were you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
How can you say
"No child is left behind?"
We're not dumb and we're not blind
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell

What kind of father would take his own daughters rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say!
You've come a long way,
- from whiskey and cocaine!.

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?


Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Rebuilding your houses after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you 'bout hard work!
Hard work!
Hard work!
You don't know nothing 'bout hard work!
Hard work!
Hard work!!!

How do you sleep at night?
How do you walk with your head held high?

Dear Mr. President, you'd never take a walk with me...

Or would you...??


I the USA someonee likes to say this to his president I'm sure: Mr. Bush heared what Pink said. That's much more, than in lots of countries in the world is possible.
Ahhhh, it's so sad.....

If Pink is so worried about the little kiddies, how come she ain't passing her millions out, selling her plane and mansion, or bringing all those she worries about to live in the safety and security her armed guards provide?

Oh, right, she don't care that much. She's just another loudmouth.
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Re: Why so much violence from one place?

She's an obnoxious little bitch. Now there's one thing i agree that is disguting that comes out of our land unfortunately. Laca, try starting threads about Pink with the same title, it'll make more sense.
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Oh my God such cruel man. If you hate animals so much you must equally hate people as well.
It doesn't work that way, and you know it. You stepped on an ant, you must be a mass murderer in the making who deserves to be sentenced to death right now, so you don't kill anymore humans..
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... She's just another loudmouth.
But a wonderful ones. Would be interesting to know how your song is - if you are a singer - and if you are not a singer: Maybe you should learn to listen first. But anyhow I'm interested in life and so I love Pink. She's my sister in god.
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But a wonderful ones. Would be interesting to know how your song is - if you are a singer - and if you are not a singer: Maybe you should learn to listen first. But anyhow I'm interested in life and so I love Pink. She's my sister in god.
Pink is an ugly troll with a gravelly voice. She was the Flavor of the Month kid for a while, and nothing more. Now, she is relegated back to the mediocre status she deserves.

No, I'm not a singer, and I do listen. That is why I don't live in a fantasy world.
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She's my sister in god.
She's an embedded whore of Satan closer than being anything remotely close to God.
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Re: Why so much violence from one place?

Oops. Sorry, wrong thread, I thought I was browsing International politics, not dead puppy politics.
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Re: Why so much violence from one place?

Yeah i mean i can take topics about our military being bad and all and usually started by moon but this is just ridiculous, one thread gets locked and this guy starts another!

Anyway for those of you who wanna see a little huumor about our military and the way we're different to other countries give this a watch:

YouTube - Jim Davidson - American's & Woman

Some may know who the comedian is, his name is Jim Davidson and he spends a lot of time with the troops and know what its about to be on the front line getting hit, and he can joke about us and you know what, its funny and its okay. You might get a kick out of it anyway Adrien.

Btw just a warning in advance there is a fair chunk of foul language in this, it is a little crass but it is funny.
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She's an embedded whore of Satan closer than being anything remotely close to God.
Doesn't make any matter - I love her - and god loves her too. I asked him about and he said "Yes - I do". I'm hundred percent sure about. So perhaps you are doing something wrong.
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