Biased threads

[pramjockey]

Just as Chairman Mao and his massacre of millions of innocents does not represent all Chinese, the writings of a few white Protestants does not impugn all of the "West."

[pramjockey]

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Way to go!

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by calorie3000

I came here mainly for two objectives, first and for the most part, I'd like to listen to different voice(point of view) from different corner of the earth as much as possible; Improving my EN while browsering your thread and post, posting by myself. I will have two exams of EN by the end of May

Thank U, for your encouragement

A BIG welcome from me, too.

[WharfedaleTiger]

Originally Posted by oleg

South Africa was colonized by Dutch and then grabbed by Brits. It's colony of the West which lives on the rules of the West - aparteid and inverted aparteid drop in line with western concept of democracy and double racial standard of diversification of human rights in one society.
The gunpowder example distinctly outlines the difference between Western and Chinese civilization. China simply had not the model of military globalization of all globe. They had advanced ships but never imagined to use them for the raids of Francis Drake or the mission of bringing buddhism to the American continent. They didn't need to create the fire weapons to assault alien faraway cities and use the advantages of new unseen war technology, they played fireworks and built the defence Great Wall instead. You still don't see the difference?
"The East" doesn't exist, there is no such model of civilization. It was the virtual name which replaced obsolete Barbaricum before the American continent was discovered and the eastern traditional direction of the "Wild beyond" acquired new atlantic dimension.

I agree, East and West don't exist. I see the diffrence, but I don't agree with your reasoning, (i read an intresting paper the other day suggesting that Chinas failure to exploit its technology was directly down to its polytheocratic beliefs rarther than Western monotheism, which begats expansionism.)

[multi_pol]

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

....i read an intresting paper the other day suggesting that Chinas failure to exploit its technology was directly down to its polytheocratic beliefs rarther than Western monotheism, which begats expansionism.)

That sounds interesting. Never heard before.

[oleg]

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

I agree, East and West don't exist. I see the diffrence, but I don't agree with your reasoning, (i read an intresting paper the other day suggesting that Chinas failure to exploit its technology was directly down to its polytheocratic beliefs rarther than Western monotheism, which begats expansionism.)

Monotheism has nothing to do with expansionism. For instance the Singhs in Northern India - they are monotheistic. Have you ever heard anything about spreading the Singh's faith with sword and fire, to defeat the infidels and establish it as one solely true religion in the world? The problem of civilisational expansionism is the so called Abraamic religions - Judaism and his kids Christianity and Islam, which base on the idea of Messia-savior and one god-selected people (nation). That is why god-selected morons burn and kill thousands years in the name of god to "save people" and spread the "fragrance of their saint faith" with blood and death, that is why the humans on the Earth already lost the pearls of unique civilisations of ancient America. The Abraamic religions make the infected civilisations stupid ultra-predators, they tend to extinguish the others without caring about balance. It is the same nightmare, as if one spice would try to put out all others and then become king in this sad unified kingdom without sign of diversity. Imagine the humans will be the left as only one existing organical life spice in Universe, no birds, no fish, no trees. Such human would die immediately without micro-creatures in his intestines, even if he discovered how to obtain syntetic food.
The Abraamic religions are somehow aware of the finishing logical result of their striving, therefore they prepare the conciousness of their bearers to the Armageddon, Judgement Day. That's it, quite natural - as soon as one of them become the Lord of the World, everything must get collapsed.

[mudwhistle]

Originally Posted by calorie3000

I agree with that, Well, I never difine the term "East" and "West" as a cultual body. "There are no everlasting friends nor everlasting enemies in the world. There are only friends with the same interest." . So I'd like to difine them with a group of conturies having the same "interest"---both "east" and "west" and so on.

PS: I find it's too hard for me to type in EN, so if you understand CH, maybe we could communicate easier. haha~

I remember a few years back I was talking with a girl through IM from Beijing and we were talking about politics. Her impression of Americans was that we wanted to rule the world. She said that was what her government was telling her and she believed it. Hedgmony was a big word in China back then. This was before Iraq.


Regardless of what I said or how I tried to reassure her I could not convince her that we Americans have no problem with China or anyone else who is peaceful with us. We are too busy living our lives earning money to pay our bills to be concerned with taking over anyone much less China.

Most people in America just want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world. Needless to say, I had to cut the discussion off because it was going nowhere.

[WharfedaleTiger]

Originally Posted by oleg

Monotheism has nothing to do with expansionism. For instance the Singhs in Northern India - they are monotheistic. Have you ever heard anything about spreading the Singh's faith with sword and fire, to defeat the infidels and establish it as one solely true religion in the world? The problem of civilisational expansionism is the so called Abraamic religions - Judaism and his kids Christianity and Islam, which base on the idea of Messia-savior and one god-selected people (nation). That is why god-selected morons burn and kill thousands years in the name of god to "save people" and spread the "fragrance of their saint faith" with blood and death, that is why the humans on the Earth already lost the pearls of unique civilisations of ancient America. The Abraamic religions make the infected civilisations stupid ultra-predators, they tend to extinguish the others without caring about balance. It is the same nightmare, as if one spice would try to put out all others and then become king in this sad unified kingdom without sign of diversity. Imagine the humans will be the left as only one existing organical life spice in Universe, no birds, no fish, no trees. Such human would die immediately without micro-creaturesMi in his intestines, even if he discovered how to obtain syntetic food.
The Abraamic religions are somehow aware of the finishing logical result of their striving, therefore they prepare the conciousness of their bearers to the Armageddon, Judgement Day. That's it, quite natural - as soon as one of them become the Lord of the World, everything must get collapsed.

You seem to have quite a thing about Christianity don't you? AS for the comment about the Singhs (Sikhs I presume) I'd advise you look at some history of India. While not a warlike religion compared to seom (then again I wouldn't say that Christianity is automatically 'warlike' its now people interprete) the Sikhs have certainly done some fighting for there religions-you know about the 5K's? Theres a reason why one is a dagger.

Multi_pol, the paper was by jack Cohen...

[multi_pol]

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Multi_pol, the paper was by jack Cohen...

Can you give the title of his paper or better the link? Thanks.

[winter6126]

bias?there's no much bias in Chinese media.CCTV and Xinhua news just told people of the west is friendly before torch reply.but there's a little change these days.
if some one have bias toward the west,the reason is: the west don't relize Chinese and give much unfair critizism to Chinese.
how many people hated the west before torch reply?just few
how many people hatred the west now? there are a lot

[winter6126]

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I remember a few years back I was talking with a girl through IM from Beijing and we were talking about politics. Her impression of Americans was that we wanted to rule the world. She said that was what her government was telling her and she believed it. Hedgmony was a big word in China back then. This was before Iraq.


Regardless of what I said or how I tried to reassure her I could not convince her that we Americans have no problem with China or anyone else who is peaceful with us. We are too busy living our lives earning money to pay our bills to be concerned with taking over anyone much less China.

Most people in America just want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world. Needless to say, I had to cut the discussion off because it was going nowhere.

that's fair,i like your post.
CCTV really criticized the USA frequently(but this TV Channel doesn't criticize the west Europe)
most Chinese don't like the USA,i think most American don't like China too.because we don't relize each other.
actually,most Chinese don't concern with politics too.as American,they busy for their life

[winter6126]

I have a off-topic question: are westeners used to listen Chinese style English( i meant we speak Engish with Chinese accent and Chinese expression style)

[mudwhistle]

Originally Posted by winter6126

that's fair,i like your post.
CCTV really criticized the USA frequently(but this TV Channel doesn't criticize the west Europe)
most Chinese don't like the USA,i think most American don't like China too.because we don't relize each other.
actually,most Chinese don't concern with politics too.as American,they busy for their life

I think there has been a great deal of press lately about lead in toys made in China. Other then that I don't think Americans have a problem with China. I visited Hong Kong a couple of times in the 70s and went over to the Kowloon side. I'm a big time Bruce Lee fan...really big time. Sad to say I paid to see Enter The Dragon about 20 times when I was a kid.

Truthfully I don't think you really have a good enough idea of what America is other then what you see in the news or in movies. Real America is full of people with different viewpoints and the biggest problem we have is a political system that encourages corruption. Politicians think that they have to lie to us to get elected and sorry to say it.....this is very true. If they told us the truth the chances they would ever be a public servant would be next to zero.

Some of us want everything given to us and others just want to be left alone. I'm one of those that just want to be left alone because I own property. Those who want services and handouts tend to own nothing.....they also tend to vote for Democrats.