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Old 05-17-2008
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Re: How China Leads the World in Web Censorship

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And US freedom ?
Only last week it was all over the news that the CIA boss demands of congress to pass a law controlling and censoring the whole net.
To catch the shrubs dearest friends, the "terrorists"

What system of control was envisaged ?...
The same had been discussed in Germany.
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Re: How China Leads the World in Web Censorship

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China blocks any website which is not in line with government propaganda,
any site critical of China, any site explaining democracy.

Which leaves one question open:

HOW DO YOU GET TO THIS SITE ?????????????
Is it a clever question?


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It´s not accessible from any internet cafe in China, nor from private computers there.
Are you sure? Why don't you ask winter?
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Re: How China Leads the World in Web Censorship

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wealthy China ?
Take the bike riksha´s.
A license costs 120 000 yuan. that´s 12 000 E or nearly 15 000 $.
They chrge 2 to 3 yuan a ride, 15 30 US cent.
Work out for yourself, how long it takes to get the license money back if ever AND live from the earnings as well.
provided what you said had really happened at a place in China, is it a general phenomena across China? Have you made a survey?


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Re: Mao a villain.
Now come. anyone critisizing him to this day gets in trouble.
His picture still is plastered on the wall in every chinese farmers house, just to show, the guys are sticking to the party line. ( as I wrote before:
Capitalism and Communism are two ends of the same worm)
Have you visited "every" chinese farmer house? What is your definition of Communism?

Obviously, your mistake is that you simply made generalization on the basis of several examples.
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Re: How China Leads the World in Web Censorship

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Free trade with China is a bad idea. Partly this is because of the rejection of democracy, liberty, and other liberal values by the Chinese government. Even more importantly, it is because of the Chinese government's treatment of the Chinese working class, which results in a drain of capital from liberal democracies into China, drawing down real wages over most of the world and damaging the global economy. All of this, as far as I can tell, being part of an economic strategy on the part of China to accelerate its own development on its own terms. It may, perhaps, also be part of a geopolitical strategy, but I am less convinced of this.
So you mean there exist democratic trade and communistic trade. Then, what kind is the trade between US and China, demoncratic or communistic?


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The truth is that China needs trade with us more than we need trade with China. At present, the U.S. represents a larger market for the world's good than China does. As China develops, that may not always be so. But for now, it is possible to use China's desire for trade privileges to leverage concessions from China in several ways -- or, if China is stubborn about that, simply to do without Chinese trade.
That shows merely you are afraid of chinas development.


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In any case, we should abandon our misplaced worship of markets and our belief that trade by itself will generate reform. Contrary to the misconceptions of free-market purists, capitalism and democracy not only do not require one another, they are actually incompatible. It is because America is a democracy that our economy is no longer purely capitalist. And China has shown that capitalism in all its oppressive ugliness is perfectly compatible with a police-state government.
So the american economy is democratic-capitalist, and chinese economy is communistic-capitalist
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Old 05-17-2008
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Re: How China Leads the World in Web Censorship

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So where have you been to "

Beijing, shanghai, Guaongdong, perhaps on a boat tour down the Li "

You definitely have not been to the old parts of the cities, nor have you ever been to the rural areas where the poor peasants live.
You have seen western expensive cars, btw financed to the last yuan and more than likely repossessed after one year.

wealthy China ?
Take the bike riksha´s.
A license costs 120 000 yuan. that´s 12 000 E or nearly 15 000 $.
They chrge 2 to 3 yuan a ride, 15 30 US cent.
Work out for yourself, how long it takes to get the license money back if ever AND live from the earnings as well.

Favorite drink for the young is coffee . Slogan: "I´m young, I´m coffee"
Goes at $ 7.50 a cup
Tea is 20 cent a can, bould only old folk drink it.
If the young ever do they order fancy and highly expensive tea specialities.

Re:
Confucianism:
It is the first showing of pure capitalism.
Nothing to do with Bhuddism, which you probably meant to quote.

Re: Mao a villain.
Now come. anyone critisizing him to this day gets in trouble.
His picture still is plastered on the wall in every chinese farmers house, just to show, the guys are sticking to the party line. ( as I wrote before:
Capitalism and Communism are two ends of the same worm)

I invite you to come to China with me. I will show you, what you have not seen or have turned a blind eye to.

That is, if you are not chinese yourself !!
The way you write I have reason to assume you are chinese.

So please, stop pretending, all is well and get to work to MAKE IT WELL.

BTW your kind of writing reminds me of Lee-Lee. Doing penitance ?
Yes, I have been to the hutong districts if that is what you refer to as the 'old parts of the city.'

I have been to the Traditional Medicine Hospital, the Beijing University Hospital, the Military Hospital, the Women and Children's Hospital, and a rural clinic where the MD is on call 24/7 and her question for us Americans is 'how do you get a day off.' The family claimed her husband had grown the garden, but shaking hands HIS hands were smooth, hers rough and calloused. Yes, I saw the differences in those places. Yes, I saw the piss pot on the front porch. I ate in the home of another MD and I find it refreshing that he is not rich and will converse with peons like me.

Perhaps you meant to insult me by saying I sound Chinese. But you don't. In fact, I'm quite flattered. I'll tell you what I am. I am a KY redneck hillbilly. A traveled one. And an educated one. I have a Bachelor's, a Mater's and a JD. So, perhaps that is WHY you think I sound Chinese - because I am educated. I did notice that many Chinese are very well educated, speak English better than most Americans, and will soon be a force to be reckoned with by the world, particularly the young Chinese women.

So don't waste your time on insults, or on telling me I didn't see what I saw.
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