If the policemen in this case would not try to deescalate the situation some people would be dead now. The violence was not from the policemen it was from the people. In Tibet the Chinese army killed Tibetans in their own country as an agressor who invaded Tibet in the years 1949/1950. China is doing a cultural genocide. The chinese government is arresting, torturing and killing Tibetans.

If you don't believe, what I say to you about the situation in Hamburg you can see it in every other way you like to see it, but if you like really to find out what happened in Hamburg you can travel to Hamburg and speak with everyone. All people can be visited in the jail, if some are arrested. The whole system is very transparent to everyone in the world.

On the other hand: The Dalai Lama is one of this persons in the world who is 'fighting' against violence in a very good way. If China agitates against his person, because he's defending the culture and identity of the tibetan people this is more than lousy and causes problems in ways we cannot really see immediately. One reason the German chancellor spoke with the Dalai Lama in public perhaps was to show all Germans a man, who is looking for solutions without any violence.

The world is indeed a chaotic structure and I don't have any idea what for example this 'one state'-bullshit really means the chinese government is speaking about. Taiwan is a democracy that is working quite well, so this means all chinese can live in a real democracy without problems. The tibetans have a culture that is repected all over the world - so this means whole China can be respected all over the world. What some governments are saying or not saying - wether somone is not finding the real kernel of the olympic games and likes to have confrontations betwenn 'eastern' and 'western' kinds of thinking isn't really interesting ... By the way: How to open an egg? From the west side or from the east side?

Oh, That's propaganda of government of Germany!
Nobody will believe it!

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I think it is great in this day and age people from Germany and China can talk about riots in English.

Either way, from what I understand, this is somewhat of a mayday tradition. Sometimes a little riot is good to relieve some tension and prevents an explosion into larger civil unrest.

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Abstinence Education at its finest:

Amnesty International has been bitching about human rights violations in Germany in the past, but it still considers Germany to be one of the exhibit-states when it comes to upholding the human rights in general.

Now back to topic: I think any attempt to implicate that this riot is similiar to the revolts in Tibet is ridiculous. May 1th is a tradional day for protest marches and demonstrations. Dozens, maybe even hundreds of peaceful marches and demonstrations occur in Europe each year on that day.
In Germany, also the anarchists and fascists gather in Berlin and/or Hamburg, get drunk and try to kill each other. While the fascists focus on trying to kill the leftists, the anarchists rather focus on destroying as much private property as possible.
Both anarchists and fascists are organized in political parties every german is free to vote for, both anarchists and fascists are not living in an occupied state, nobody wants to destroy their culture, and their political leaders can be found amongst them when they riot, not in some village in India. Also, the police does not use fire-arms to stop them when they riot. The entire media is allowed to provide full coverage on the issue, at any time . You see, this is a totally different issue compared to Tibet.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

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Ok, prove it. Or admit a strawman.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

You're brainwashed. I'm saying what I'm thinking. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong - but I don't know really what is going on in Tibet in the moment because I don't have any reliable informations from independent people about. This means for me - because I know what dictatorship means - I have to think about, that the situation in Tibet is more worse than in my worst phantasy and my worst phantasy is very worse. The chinese government itself is kiling the image of China worldwide - no one else.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Oh, I think Anybody can know what have happened in Germany!
Polices of Germany are beating civilians up and down!
Government of Germany is a government full of violence!
God bless people of Germany!

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I find it cool! (not kidding) This is how people as a whole can get closer. I was quiete anti-american when I joined this board on late 2002. Now, my english is acceptable and my knowledge about the american nation and culture is way better than ever. I have realized that I love american-style fast-food, I love listening american music and I love watching american movies and series in english. Somehow I have developed a certain admiration for the american culture (But their gouvernment and their army still sucks, anyway).
It's also refreshing to read and discuss stuff from other nations here. Everybody can understand each other and you get a certain insight in events the news media never will be able to provide. I think if more people from all nations would be active on boards like this one, it would be a heck of a lot more difficult to stir unrest between the nations.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

I said prove it or admit a strawman.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

I agree, except I probably dont share the same sentiments about the American government. It certainly has its faults, but its the only one we got.

As for the Chinese delegation posting on here. You realise of course the role the police played in the situation as peacekeepers rather than suppressors. This was some drunken young men having a throw down over political differences.

It certainly wasnt tiananmen square 89. No tanks, no wreckless shooting into crowds, no deaths. Maybe China should get some of thier civil storm troopers to take training from the Germans.

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Abstinence Education at its finest:

Please prove it not!
But I have told you that I can see that polices of Germany were showing violence on Germany civilians from pictures!
I think I don't need any other prove any more!

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Amnesty international?

Here's a little film with german text - but I hope everyone can understand. Please - this is no an accusation of women which did abortion - it is only showing what happens in case of abortion in nearly very soft pictures. But if you aborted or you are too young don't take a look to thsi pictrues: but abortion never can be a human right on this very simple reason:

YouTube - Abtreibung, Abortion, Amnesty International-Menschenrecht

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Wish granted. But I wouldn't need to do prove it, anyway. I have made no claim.

Dude, this is a strawman argument. If you make a claim, you got to prove it. I don't need to prove you wrong in order to point out that your claim is just wishful thinking and that you don't have any proof. And you HAVEN'T provided any proof for the claims you made yet.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

Oh, blood, fire, hurting is not one part of violence!
But I think they are!
I consider those pictures as proof!
How cruel polices of Germany are!
I believe my eyes, don't believe your words!

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Oh, you're free to believe anything you want (certainly not in China, but here on this board you are). Maybe you rather should look for a board discussing religious matters, for this is a political board and only few people are interested in reading pontification of your personal believes.

Also, repeating your strawman argument over and over again does not change the fact that it is a strawman argument. But it sure begins to sound like the hysterical clamor we recently are getting used to hear out of the "China-corner" on this board. So you either might consider a more formal attempt of discussing issues, or get used to the fact that you EVER won't be able to convince anybody here of anything. No matter how right you are or how wrong he is.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.