[quote=xy_god;1211210] Hey, baby ,dance with me?
Or I will dance by myself!.[quote]

No thanx, not interested in dancing with a chinese man (?).

I'm going on a search for all the Nazis ( government, police and so on) you were talking about.

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"Homo Homini Lupus"
Thomas Hobbes

On my China's way, we dance and sing!
A le o , a le o , a le o , a le o , a le o , a le o le!

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[quote=Stapo;1211214][quote=xy_god;1211210] Hey, baby ,dance with me?
Or I will dance by myself!.You are not the most important one to Chinese people!
German is not the most important one to Chinese people!
Without you , We Chinese can do anything!
Without you, earth runs also every day !

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My english was very bad when I joined this board in 2002, and I am still making many mistakes. And I am in no way saying that you are brainwashed. But I think you haven't started to push your personal horizon further.

Also, I respect the chinese people. But there is a serious difference between your people and mine: In Germany, it is part of our mentality that a friend has to point out your mistakes and speak openly with you from time to time. People from other countries, especially from Asia, consider this to be rude. I think tough love is the only true love. I love speaking openly, and I honour people for speaking openly. An upright human beeing who cannot take another man's truth is - in my eyes - not an upright human beeing. I also have no problem with explicit language. Sometimes, you gotta spice up an issue and polarize, in order to save people from dying of boredom.

So if you read criticism on your gouvernment about certain stuff, you must understand that this is meant as an advice, not as an insult. I consider the chinese people and culture as to be one of the most fascinating and admirable ones. But there are certain things that are totally fucked up in China. And Tibet certainly is one of those things.

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They knew. So could you.

Ok!As you said you respect Chinese!
Let me tell you that Tibet was , is and will always a part of China!
There's no need to discuss Tibet's dominion!
If you say you westerners are right, we will say we Chinese are right!
We are in diffirent world!
You westerners need time to understand views of Chinese people!
There's no justice when westerners and Chinese face to face!
We have our tradition, you have yours!
We are doing what we think right by our views!
You are doing what you think right by your views!
If you surpport independence of Tibet, the best way is war, not speaking!
This is not threat, this is our views from our heart!

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Well, lip-service is the first step.
Sorry this is my fault, indeed. I should not make fun of your statment.
I've read some of your replies in this forum, arguing with both the USA folks and Chinese folks. In general, I found you are patient and insist on what you believe in.

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So if Chinese gov't fucks you, it's only fair that it fucks Tibetans, too, eh?

Yeah, fair is fair, I suppose.

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--Hunter S. Thompson

What did you mean,eh? Just say it directly!

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OK. What the bloody hell difference does it make to an ordinary Chinese person whether or not Tibet gains it's autonomy?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Why did China agree to wide range of autonomy, when Tibet got integrated into China, then?

They just want autonomy on a range of issues... religion, education,...

Some chinese here are so big on denouncing this as evil seperatism and saying "what if California splits from the US" or what if "Bavaria splits from Germany"
But truth is, they have certain autonomies... if Tibet would get the same rights as Bavaria within the Chinese nation, it would be more than happy I guess...

The thing is, the Chinese government doesn't seem as if it wishes the Tibetan people to feel as a Part of a greater Entity... it seems as if the Chinese government wants to dominate everything no matter what happens...

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Ok, As your empressement, I have to say sorry to you !
Perhaps there're some impertinence to you in my words!
But according to my experience, many weseterners in this bord
have many prejudice on Chinese people and government!
They made we Chinese almost have no patience to discuss with them!
We ever thought that Chinese and westerner could discuss many
many thing , but when we expressed our views, they would shouted at
us as a czar ,such as "You have been brainwashed, Chinese guys!",
"You are propagandizing as your government!"! What we could say?
You westerners have enough reason to shut up our mouth, close the
door of communication, left only voice of westerners!
What many westerners have done only used to ignoring voice of Chinese
people!This is fact!
We won't shut up!We must let you westerners hear our China's voice!
We come here unpromptedly to discuss with westerners!We only want westerners
know what Chinese people are thinking and feelings of Chinese people!
In many areas, wesaterners's views are different with Chinese views!
But we could discuss them , if you are right, we will accept them!
If we are right, you could also accept us!
But don't educate us as a teacher!We are facing the same world,nobody
have right to think he (she) is more right than others!
And nobody have right to think their environment is more democratic
or free than others!
If you agree my above opinions, we have chance to discuss many many
things, and we can be friends!
But if not, I have to talk rubbish here and there!
About Tibet, all we Chinese won't give in, you may try to dicuss with
more Chinese!More and more Chinese you dicuss with, you will find the
fact!I am only normal one of Chinese people!

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In fact ,Chinese is same with German!we also consider that frankness between friends
is the most important!

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Before my explanation, I'd like to know ,what "autonomy" mean in your mind, and what the difference between "autonomy" & "Independence" in your mind?
(Actually, tibet has been one of the five autonomic area in China for more than 40 years.--founded in sep 9th 1965)

thanks

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You mean before the year 1959?
If yes, OK. I give you an address, though this is a Chinese version.
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"After liberating Tibet peacfully, many wisdom realized that, it was impossible for the Tibetan to be rich and boom if Tibet didn't abolish feudalism and serfdom. But the gov't had considered the history and the reality of Tibet. So they decided not to force it, just let the local gov't do it autonomicly(while the result parts of China had already started to reform) .......
However, someone in the local gov't reject the reformation basically, they tried to keep the serfdom forever and keep the interest they had gained.....
"---oh my~ , time is limited, I merely translated the first prgph, but I think your first question has been answered.

em, sometimes we both don't put ourselves in the other's place.

......We are always trying to do that---communication

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Hey, They won't believe in you!
Any fact from mouth of our government is not fact by their logic!
Don't waste time with them!
他们不会相信你的,老外的思维方式很怪异,他们早被他们的媒体洗脑了!

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