I see - China needs A-Bombs from the USA? Do you like them with a black or a pink ribbon? In a rocket or in a cruise missile? How much money? Delivery free doorstep.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

For sure - all criminals are learning from other criminals the wrong things.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

How they are learning it when all schools in Tibet are only using mandarin?

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

One more reason to 'hate' China. We don't like a 'clever' chancellor

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Untrue. Now there are schools where Tibetans can learn to read and write Tibet, which didn't exist under the brutal tyranny of monks that existed before.

Or which didn't exist under the even more brutal tyranny impossed by Mao and his gangster students (now the leaders of China) during the culture revolution.

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"Homo Homini Lupus"
Thomas Hobbes

This fact can not be seen by the blind anobsitar.

What happend in the cultural revolution was in the past (30 years ago), doesn't represent Tibet today, as Nazi Germany is in the past, doesn't represent present Germany.

Hey, I know a good clinic where you can get your eyesight back.

Do you really believe things have changed in chinese occupied territories ?

They haven´t even changed all that much in China.
As a visitor I still have to register with the police in every village I pass travelling.
Even visiting a temple I´ll have a government goon tailing me.
Whenever I go to an Internet cafe, as soon as I leave there´s some govrnment guy checking out which sites I visited or to whom I sent a mail.

Freedom in China ?
You got the freedom to obey or else.

Now don´t even try to misinterpret me, I love China, I get on well with most people, but I get fed up with guys spitting hatred for government pay.

And to make it clear once and for all: extreme capitalism and extreme communism are two ends of the same worm.
A few guys have it all, the rest get´s the crumbs.

And as long as there are guys posting hatred and pseudo political nonsense to please their governments things won´t change.

If you want to be really free, if you want to be able to say what you really think you´ll have to stand on your hind feet and say a clear NO to the agitators.

Perhaps it needs another Liu Bowen or a new Sun Ya Tsen to bring China back to the greatness of a thousand years ago.
The present lot in Beijing is unable and unwilling to do that.

In pre-chinese Tibet Nearly every citizen of Lhasa could read and write, they had private teachers in the neighborhood or monks who redily took on pupils when asked.Matter of fact, there was a higher percentage of literates in Tibet than in China (1950)

Todays schools that teach tibetan are visited mainly by chinese people on government pay.
They want to be able to spy on private talks of Tibetans.

Hi calorie3000.

Seems among the chinese posters you are the one not on gov pay.
I do hope, we will get get along alright.
Probably you will dislike my posts,at first sight, but please, take a minute to think them over.
When I post about incidents that happened to me in China it is not to attack China, these are only hints about some shortcomings that ought to be thought over and, if seen necessary, corrected.

I can only hint, any action is up to the chinese people.
It would be easy to spellout as many, if not more deficits in any western country, but that would be of no help to China.

I´d love to see China take her rightful place, but that means bigotries, 2000yearold bad habits and the criminal greed of some of the newly rich would have to be stopped.

Tibet is only a minor point to me, still I think, your government shouldn´t resort to the same standards Hitler used.
They give China a bad reputation she doesn´t deserve.

I truly hope, that one of these days we can go cut some bamboo shoots together.
Last time I did I nearly slipped down the mountain.

Hey, it's not me who has a blind eyesight. I'd like to see how about you.

Well, I don't want to explain why your above assertion of "chinese ocupied territories" is wrong, you can find the answers from other posters on this forum. Just one remark: if you want to judge whether changes exist, you must indicate to what you make comparison.


You seem to have done something special in China so you were cared about by the officer specially. I don't think an ordinary foreign tourist will always has chance to "enjoy" such special reception.


Surely limitation exists. But have you absolue freedom at any or at your own country?



To this point I'm with you.


Not clear what you want to say concretely. Can you give hints who might be the agitators (of the government) on this forum?


The development of China is a historic tendency, representing the strong desires of all chinese people. It's not dependent on one single person at the era of 21th century. The last Chinese emporer had disappeared about 100 years ago, and China has been opened to the world for 30 years and will remain opened. China cann't return to the old, isolated state any more. With connections to the world and the constant economic and political exchanges with other countries in the world, China can obtain spirit and the driving force to develop herself while also contributing to the development of the whole world. You see, the time and conditions have changed.

I doubt this. Any data source?


Don't know how you got the conclusion?

In old Tibet, the majority of the rural population were slaves or serfs without schooling or medical care. And at the beginning (1949) of People's Rrepublic of China there were 80% analphabetic in the whole chinese population according to a report, which have been reduced to 9.1% in 2000 (for adults above 15 years old).