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Re: Burma (Myanmar) Cyclone and neo-liberal economics

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It's a tragedy of immense proportions and Bush (and the U.N) has pledged aid in spite of the tyrannical regime that controls Burma. I commend Bush for the quick response to the tradgedy. There's no reason to believe that there are ulterior motives at work.
Interesting that this government seems to respond to foreign disaster needs so quickly.
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Even after the Tsunami the pentagon used aid and the unique abilities of the US military to undermine the UN for unrelated political reasons. That is documented in the links i provided in an earlier post.

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Utter bullshit.

The US Navy was delivering aid to people who desperately needed it after the tsunami while the UN was still trying to figure out what they were going to do.

They weren't "undermining" the UN - they were out helping people. They simply bypassed the useless, self-serving UN bureaucracy.

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I suspect that much of that is a result of the anthropologists' projection. It seems that suffering and dissatisfaction are part of the human condition. We may know more about it now than we did in more primitive (technologically) societies because we have more time to think about it and spend less time scraping for food or worrying about getting eaten by whatever nasty critter is outside the cave/tent/tepee.
Boy, that sure sounds like nirvana - desperately searching for food while avoiding being eaten.

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In the same amount time it has destroyed the lives of millions of indigenous and poor people around the world.
If you're saying that development can be destructive to traditional social structures, then, sure, I think everyone agrees on that. Whatever pain it causes is massively outweighed by the good its accomplished.

It would be wonderful if extremely poor countries could simply reach fully developed status overnight, but that's not reality. Development causes social dislocations, and while governments can help blunt them, they can't fully curtail them. The only way to fully avoid them is to simply not develop and remain extremely poor in perpetuity. Personally, I don't really see that as a viable strategy.

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Besides, measuring the benefits is impossible to do since nobody agrees on a standard.
Where on earth do you get that idea from?

Social and economic indicators are objectively observable, and rises or falls in them can be measured and noted. There's nothing to disagree on.

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Its not exactly clear that we are any more content as consumers as the plains indian were as a hunter/gatherers.
Ah yes, it's our old friend the noble savage.

Look man, if you wish to leave modern society and go live in the middle of the woods, there's really nothing stopping you.

Either way, contentment is a subjective thing and my comments have nothing to do with it. I'm referring to objectively observable improvements in the living standards of the developing world in the past 3 decades or so. If you want to talk about gross national happiness, then go vacation in Bhutan.
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This forum stirs up strong feelings of hatred toward liberals. It is really quite sad considering I have a few IRL friends who are liberals and they don't spew any of the disgusting nonsense that many on this board do.
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Re: Burma (Myanmar) Cyclone and neo-liberal economics

it appears the government may not even have warned the pop. of the tsunami though they knew it was coming....if that’s true well, thats their gov. and pretty rank.
During the upset there several months ago nothing truly effective got done, and they the gov. relapsed into the usual.

Making the claim that the US will want some quid pro quo if we send aid, doesn't appear to be supported by facts. But wtf right, hell we were a bunch of cheap bastards anyway, when it came to the Phu Cat tsunami etc, so we are consistent, yes?
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I'm able to separate the government from the people, and I think that it's unfortunate that the Myanmar government is so fucked up that it will allow its citizens to suffer so.
Okay, sure: Poor fuckin' Myanmarese (??). I'll weep for them...
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Even after the Tsunami the pentagon used aid and the unique abilities of the US military to undermine the UN for unrelated political reasons.
This is why I often take the "fuck them" point of view.

The Navy was bringing relief supplies, and it's viewed as "undermining" the UN. The fucking nerve of the Navy.

Fuck the UN.

Fuck the UN, and fuck Myanmar...
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Utter bullshit.

The US Navy was delivering aid to people who desperately needed it after the tsunami while the UN was still trying to figure out what they were going to do.

They weren't "undermining" the UN - they were out helping people. They simply bypassed the useless, self-serving UN bureaucracy.

Matt
it might be interesting to research how much of that aid is still unused...I venture a guess at 30%....

whether ones chooses to beleive it or not, I googled after my guess. I was not far off, it was at 50%, now I would hope that that figure has been lowered.

Heres one;
Tsunami Relief News - French Watchdog Says Reallocate Excess Tsunami Aid

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Trade Research - Half of Tsunami donations still unused: BBC
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it might be interesting to research how much of that aid is still unused...I venture a guess at 30%....

whether ones chooses to beleive it or not, I googled after my guess. I was not far off, it was at 50%, now I would hope that that figure has been lowered.

Heres one;
Tsunami Relief News - French Watchdog Says Reallocate Excess Tsunami Aid

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Trade Research - Half of Tsunami donations still unused: BBC
The UN is absolutely fucking worthless...
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This is why I often take the "fuck them" point of view.

The Navy was bringing relief supplies, and it's viewed as "undermining" the UN. The fucking nerve of the Navy.

Fuck the UN.

Fuck the UN, and fuck Myanmar...
All that sex is sure to lead to STDS
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All that sex is sure to lead to STDS
Especially in a place like Myanmar...
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Boy, that sure sounds like nirvana - desperately searching for food while avoiding being eaten.

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Doesn't it, though?

I'm sure it's a lifestyle that would lead to much contentment.
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Fuckin'-A I do! 6 bouts of pneumonia have given me an intense hatred of much of the prokaryotic forms of life!
Next time you go, ask your physician for this: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/Pubs/vis...ds/vis-ppv.pdf

I used to get bronchitis almost every winter, often escalating to pneumonia. The last time I even had a case of bronchitis even, was in 2003...right after an ER visit for way too high a fever for an adult with pneumonia and my doc told me about this vaccine. I got it. It's been great to me ever since. (*knocking on wood*)
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Next time you go, ask your physician for this: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/Pubs/vis...ds/vis-ppv.pdf

I used to get bronchitis almost every winter, often escalating to pneumonia. The last time I even had a case of bronchitis even, was in 2003...right after an ER visit for way too high a fever for an adult with pneumonia and my doc told me about this vaccine. I got it. It's been great to me ever since. (*knocking on wood*)


My wife made me get the PneumoVax 5 years ago after having my 5th and 6th bouts of pneumonia. Haven't had it since. I was pretty shocked.


Shot hurts like a bastard, though!
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