And Helau.

I can get along with most of your postings very well.
Though, and this is answering to the wrong post. as friend kantuni states, the NATION of Israel existed for close to 4000 years.

There´s a slight mistake in that statement.
Adam and Eve were definitely not israeli.
But the jewish history dates the creation of the world to about 4000 years or so.
Which, in turn, screws up the abrahamic religions.
There was no Israel before Aaron and he was the first to drive Palestinians from their land to occupy it.

A people dispersed cannot be seen as a nation.
Else the descendants of the Sumerian people could now claim Iraq, the Huns could claim most of Europe and Asia, the Brits could claim an Empire.

Germany is frequently associated with the Kimberns and the Teutons, though they originated in Sweden.
So let´s stop here and blame everything that happened in the past 2500 years on the Swedes.
They deserve it.
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What is "hurting itself"? What are you talking about?

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What a nonsense. They came from Jylland in Denmark and not from Sweden. The romans killed the most ambrones, all teutones and all cimbres in 102 BC so they are no german ancestors. It is said the wifes of the teutones killed their children and did suicide, because they didn't like to be slaves of the romans. A very famous story but nevertheless I think that this story is nothing else than nonsense. In best case they bribed the roman soldiers to tell such a stupid story before they entered battleship Galactica.

The german word "deutsch" for german has nothing to do with "germans" or "teutones". The expression "deutsch" has a meaning "to belong together". It's similar to the word "united". The best expression today in modern language is "middle european". The Germans today are a mix of Celts, Romans, Germans and Normans. And execpt the language there is no real difference between Germans and Slavs too.

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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Since almost everyone in Europe is "German"(roman time) or at least somehow mixed (Vandals even went to Tunesia I think), connecting Germany to tribes of that time doesn't work and in no way considers the size of Germany.

The word "Deutsch" doesn't mean "united" it means "People / Nation"

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The word 'deutsch' comes from the word 'thiot' and this means 'to belong together' = people which belong together on no special reason (maybe except language). Perhaps the english expression would be "people-ish". There were always very different people, which belonged together. This is exactly the same what Germans are today. It's often really astonishing how Germans can be - really very astonishing - because this feeling to be a part of something is not limited to be a member of a german tribe.

A german tribe is something like a nation (can be a very small nation but can also be a very big nation) and some german tribes are something like a union.

Some german tribes wandered - others stayed in their homelands or moved only a few miles (like bavarians for example). The Vandals for example travelled to Northafrica. Everywhere in whole Europe lived some Germans since the Romans decided to do suicide and tried to save the ancient world from dissapearing.

I saw a lot of discussions in the english spoken world about Germany and was really astonished, why so many people are discussing about Germans. Seems we are something like a modern myth (and by the way: I had to laugh a lot about). Perhaps it has to do with, that the root of english is german and some people think, if they (mis)understand what Germans are, they are understanding what they like to be themselves?

In my eyes the Jews - with the german language 'jiddish' - are only something like a special german tribe and it's very clear for me that the killing of Jews in World War II was a fight against Germany - perverted in the name of Germany. It's very complex in this case, because the Jews were in history directly under the protection of the german Kaiser. Jews were always in history something special for Germans - and I hope that there are a lot of connections between Israel and Germany today. The antisemitic stuff 'Germasn don't feel reponsible for blablabla " I cannot really take serios, because Germans always feel responsible for everything. That's our 'nature' - sorry: 'culture'. Otherwise the European Union would not exist for example.

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Oh, God, why there's one named anobsitar?


I really don't like this guy!
Who can let it away?

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What the hell are you talking about??
tribes! What's next clans??

You seem to believe that annicent tribal-structures are somehow the basis of our modern society?

Anyway I guess you should talk with German Jews about your idea as viewing them as only a special German tribe.
I'm really looking forward to hear your report.

Again what is antisemitic about this topic and about the opinion expressed in the survey/article this thread is based on??

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No one. Jews were always a important and catalyzing part of the german culture and the rebuilded philosophic and scientific world in Europe. In case of the 'Holocaust' the industrialized murdering of Jews was in my eyes a problem of fratricide. The tragedy of the Jews in Europe - caused from Germany - is nothing someone is really able to understand or to ignore in no history in every possible future. Always people will think about this unbelievable - but nevertheless true - story. And I think no one ever will find the real reasons for this deadly desaster.

But I'm really interested what the world will say in fifty or hundred years about the ¿genocided? Tibetans in China. Tibetans are loosing completly their own identity because China doesn't like people with an individual identity. It likes a world of 'blue ants', isn't it? But there are enough ants in the world. That's nothing China can win with.

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Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Just short and simple: I don't like to discuss with fans of "Stasi", "Stapo" or "Gestapo". Smells like torture and death. Even some Jews seem to ignore that antifascists in lots of cases are antisemites too.

Well as it seems, you don't have many friends here and I've read many comments about you being "crazy/brainddead" and so on.

I'm still not willing to agree with this judgement, as at least you seem to try to present some argument for your simple shying away from discussion .

Just come back, when you have found your balls and/or got over being a chicken

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If you like you can be my friend. Take a cyanide capsule: really good. Even your GeStapo-friend Himmler took one and is relaxing very well since this day:

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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Well maybe I should reconsider my "no agreement on (you) being crazy"-part.

Especially as being your "friend" seems to mean nothing else than getting suicide-wishes; with a "friend" like you, who needs enemies.

Anyway we can play the chicken-game of yours all day long or (much more prefered) you can finally start adressing my questions.

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I could if you would not be a red or brown Nazi. I makes no sense to discuss with Nazis.

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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Please enlighten me, what exactly is a red or brown Nazi??

How on earth have I even qualified to be called either a red or brown Nazi in the first place??

Anyway your paranoia about me being a Nazi is no excuse for simply chicken away from discussion.
Weak, just weak Anobsitar.

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I wonder why you put big EU flag in your profile, but have only a little German one. Don't you feel German first, and european 2nd?

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