Originally Posted by Stapo

You must have left school much too early to write things like this.

Thor doesn't mean 'fool' in German, it's the scandinavian form for an old Germanic god, named 'Donar' in German.

Donar is related to the German word 'Donner = thunder' andīe.g. 'Donnerstag'= Thursday.

By the way the scandinavian form 'Thor' made it's way into the English language as exampled in the word 'Thursday'.

Your understanding of the word 'Thor' is probably influenced by the following citation:






It's only your (and Luther's) understanding that a 'Thor' is a 'fool'; I would rather judge him to be a decent guy.

Anyway Thorhammer probably will be able to enlighten you about the whole thing much better.

Originally Posted by Shanon

I find your first statement surprising because my impression is that a European awareness exists, but that it is still very vague. Therefore I never heard anyone speaking of pride when seeing the European flag.

The problem with the EU seems to be that its direction is very much unclear.

Originally Posted by Shanon

I find your first statement surprising because my impression is that a European awareness exists, but that it is still very vague. Therefore I never heard anyone speaking of pride when seeing the European flag.

The problem with the EU seems to be that its direction is very much unclear.

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Da steh ich nun ich armer Thor und bin so schlau als wie zuvor!"
There I stand now me poor fool - and I'm so smart now as I was before."

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Or it has, indeed, fallen out of use?



First, Donar = Thor. That being said, there is quite an active study of these Gods and the religion that surrounded them by archeologists, historians, and anthropologists.



For the record, I think Wiccans simply use the modern festival as an excuse to get together and get drunk. And any who disturb Christian celebrations are just simply people who didn't get enough attention as kids. I, like you, loathe them.

However, the first person to speculate about a connection between a goddess and Easter was Jacob Grimm in Deutsche Mythologie. He primarily cites the works of Bede's De temporum ratione, in which there is mention of a Anglo-Saxon (and, by extention, Germanic) goddess Eostre. To quote Grimm:

This Ostarâ, like the AS Eástre, must in the heathen religion have denoted a higher being, whose worship was so firmly rooted, that the Christian teachers tolerated the name, and applied it to one of their own grandest anniversaries.

Anyways, the fact of the matter remains that there were indeed pagan festivals that occured at the same time as the Christian holiday of Easter. Furthermore, there is speculation that these festivals revolved around the Goddess Eostre. And the fact remains that there was indeed a very real, and deep rooted religion in Germany (and the Germanic world as a whole), along with its rituals, festivals, and other rites, before the arrival of Christianity. The deny this, and write it off as pure fantasy, is the height of ignorance. A willfull ignorance at that.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

you seem to be willing to discuss it here. So why not give your input in the new thread?

Also, no one is discussing fantasy here, nor are we discussing Nazism.

Originally Posted by Althir

Not really. There are some of my friends who carries a necklace with a big golden hammer: Mjolnir or known as Thors Hammer. You can see this sign often in the Heavy Metal scene here in Germany. ...

Originally Posted by stillalive

Lots of Germans feel that way because the EU is based on two basic groups:
the Benelux and the french-german friendship. ...

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Germany - France - Belgium - Netherlands - Luxembourg and Italy started with the Europan Union.

Originally Posted by stillalive

Better listen to what teacher tells you little boy.

Italy was in the EWG (ETU) of 1957

I was talking about the EU. ...

Originally Posted by stillalive

Yup. And it is a fact that christmas was originally the germanic midwinter festival (Sonnenwende)
The catholic church simply took over heathen festivals and renamed them to "christian " terms to lure heathens into catholicism. ...

Originally Posted by anobsitar

The whole question is nothing else than a fanatastic nazism.

Originally Posted by anobsitar

The date for Christmas is much more older than the influence of germanic religions can be

Originally Posted by anobsitar

... and by the way: since for example bavarians are existing we are christians. And we are the eldest "deutsch" tribe (but not the eldest german tribe). It's very complicate to explain some points in english because "deutsch" and "german" are the same word in english language and not 2 different words as it is in German. Bavarians for example were since ever members of the christian religion and they are the eldest "deutscher Stamm" (german tribe) but not the eldest "germanischer Stamm" (german tribe). Bavarians are a mix of germans (bajuvars), celts and romans and their ancestors came from Boio (same ancestors as checks but checks are slavs and are using another language.) If for example the bavarians would be a member of the USA we would speak english - but we would speak english in a typically bavarian way. Everyone would know that we are bavarians. For most bavarians it's absolutely impossible to hide this. It's more comparable to irishmen or scots for examlple. It's in reality not so simple as Nazis like to see the complexity of the german 'nation'.

Originally Posted by stillalive

... the christmas song (Luther) statting : mitten im kalten Winter is pure nonsense. there is no such thing as a cold winter in Palestine. ...

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

... Ummm, that isn't true. The ancestors of the Bavarians have not always been Christian.