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Old 05-17-2008
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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What's wrong with them?

I wouldn't say there is something wrong. It is unquestionably true that the evil unleashed by the Nazis remains almost unique in history, although Stalin and Mao were comparable, as were Pol Pot and Idi Amin on a much, much smaller scale. The events of history last a long time.

I spent a few days in Berlin at Christmas, 2006, as part of a month in Germany. I thought of all that happened in that fascinating city in the last century: the Kaiserzeit; WWI; the end of the Hohenzollern dynasty and revolution; the Great Inflation of 1923; Weimar; Hitler's regime and the Nazi era; WWII; the boming of Berlin; invasion; the division of the city; the Soviet rule; the collapse of the Soviet Union; the restoration of a united Germany and a resurgent Berlin as capital.

Only one century.

The history of the city is everywhere - it is really too much to grasp. It's quite overwhelming. I walked from the Reichstag to the Brandenburg gate, and then visited the underground Holocaust museum. From there I saw what is left of the Checkpoint Charlie, looked at the small, very beautiful restored old city, walked down the Unter den Linden and visited the restored Berlincathedral for a concert. Then I looked at the Hohenzollern crypts in the cellar.

Remarkable experience. Every American should visit Berlin. I intend to return myself.

I don't think it is all that surprising that Germans are generally pacifist.

Thanks for that post.
Though you forgot another nation which was no less evil than Nazi -Germany
Japan killed raped and enslaved more people than the Nazis did.
Just ask the Chinese, Vietnamese, Burmese, Malayans, Filipinos, Laotians, Cambodians Mongolians and last, but worst hit, the Koreans.
The only difference is, the Nazis documented what they did, the Japanese just murdered. And they started their Amok run twelve years before the Nazis did. No US interference then.
No documentation does not mean no guilt.
But as Japan is a good friend of the US now and, contrary to Germany, permanently kisses US bums, the US prefer not to talk about their atrocities.
Perhaps out of a feeling of guilt for what they themselves did to the Japanese immigrants after Pearl Harbor.

Btw
the last time I was in Berlin was back in ī79.
At that time it was grey and decaying.
The only folks with spirit then were the students and the turkish population.
Have to go there again to see what has changed.

Wish you a good trip and a happy stay should you visit Berlin again.
But take a little more time and check out some of the rest of Germany too.
Itīs a beautiful country except for the region around Stuttgart.
For 80 years now theyīve been trying to build Autobahns, they havent finished a single one yet.
;=))

And to get back to a previous point of yours:
If a German tells you, he abhors war it does not mean, he wouldnīt defend his country.
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I'm not interested in Nazi-propagandisms and I'm not interested that someone is telling me a steel bush is getting fawns.
The Geneva Conventions and the research of an Israeli human rights group (B'Tselem) are Nazi propaganda pieces!?

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About 4000 Arabs lived in 186x in Jerusalem. Nearly no one cared about. And now millions of Arabs are living in the area? Laughable in some cases.
Arabs were the majority in Palestine long before Israel was even a thought in the mind of "Lord Rothschild." Have you ever considered reading a census of the region; they are archived on the internet?

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1918? Bavarians opressed from Jews? I'm a bavarian, dear idiot mine, and I have some jewish ancestors too.
The Bavarian Soviet Republic did oppress and execute people; the people who headed that "State" were not Buddhists. Levine, Eisner and Toller were not Latter-Day-Saints.

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Palestinian children danced in the streets after 9/11 because they were full of joy about the death of lots of human beings. Let me take one name: Jeffrey Grant Goldflam, 48, Melville, N.Y. - hope I'm not hurting people but I need a concrete name because I hate abstrahotisms. Why were palestinian children full of joy that he died?
For the same reason the world danced when legions of innocent Germans died at the hands of the allies; the difference is you support the celebration of your nations dead.

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Dresden was a war crime. So what? You are a Nazi and that's a problem. Dresden is no problem.
So it is only immoral when Jews are murdered and people celebrate their deaths? You complain about dancing Palestinians celebrating the death of 3000 Americans but refer to the terrorist firebombing of Dresden that incinerated thousands upon thousands of refugees as "no problem?"

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Seems for me you like to kill millions of Americans but perhaps - maybe - if I think about a little - it can be that Americans don't like to be killed from idiots like you. What will you do in this case? Suicide bombing?
You are no position to lecture me; you only seem to oppose war crimes when Jews are the victims of them.
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

Germans on the other hand should ask Israel for compensation for Jews killing over 1.7 German Christians.

Ukrainian should demand compensation from Israel for Jew-communist leaders' henocide of seven million Christians.

Russia should demand compensation for the murder of 60-100 million Christians under Jew-communist rule.
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... No German, not even the few Neo-nazis want to kill Jews ...
That's wrong.
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That's wrong.

Sorry I forgot about you.
Youīre the only one I have left out. You call me wrong, so logically you must be the only one who wants to kill Jews.


I wonder why you only picked one short sentence of my reply to answer.

Seems you know youīre found out.

poor soul, I pity you.
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Germans on the other hand should ask Israel for compensation for Jews killing over 1.7 German Christians.

Ukrainian should demand compensation from Israel for Jew-communist leaders' henocide of seven million Christians.

Russia should demand compensation for the murder of 60-100 million Christians under Jew-communist rule.


Hello, good evening and welcome (Bruce Forsyth)

Just a little plea from myself.

Be prepared, when posting here to be able to point straight at a backup for any claims you make.

And recheck your posts before sending.
You write for instance of the killing ofover 1,7 german Christians.

Do you happen to know where the remaining 30 percent of the second guy may be found ?

Donīt take this too serious, itīs just a joke.
On your expense, but nevertheless a joke.

Feel free to return the favor whenever I make a mistake.

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The Geneva Conventions and the research of an Israeli human rights group (B'Tselem) are Nazi propaganda pieces!?
I don't dicscuss with Nazis about the Geneva conventions or human rights.

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Arabs were the majority in Palestine long before Israel was even a thought in the mind of "Lord Rothschild." Have you ever considered reading a census of the region; they are archived on the internet?
Short answer: I don't think that Arabs were interested in Jerusalem in 18xx.

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The Bavarian Soviet Republic did oppress and execute people; the people who headed that "State" were not Buddhists. Levine, Eisner and Toller were not Latter-Day-Saints.
You like to discuss with a Bavarian the Bavarian history from 4/7/1919-5/2/1919? It's very interresting for me as a Bavarian but it's really not so important for the whole world in this case. Germans destroyed this 'soviet' republic immediatley on very good reasons - and they tried to build up democratic structures. In later times Hitler for example was arrested in Bavaria and in wide areas of Bavaria there were lots of people which never liked Hitler - because the people of Bavaria in lots of cases are traditional and not revolutionary like Nazis and Commies.

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For the same reason the world danced when legions of innocent Germans died at the hands of the allies; the difference is you support the celebration of your nations dead.
For Germany it was much more better to loose World War II instead winning it.

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So it is ... immoral when Jews are murdered and people celebrate their deaths?
You're right.

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You complain about dancing Palestinians celebrating the death of 3000 Americans but refer to the terrorist firebombing of Dresden that incinerated thousands upon thousands of refugees as "no problem?"
That's true. Dresden is no problem for Germans and Germany. But still alive Nazis are a problem for Germany.

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You are no position to lecture me;
Hope secret services of your homeland are watching very well what you and the members of your gang are doing.

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you only seem to oppose war crimes when Jews are the victims of them.
I don't see the Holocaust as a war crime, I see it as a fratricide - nothing of the Holocaust is comparable with the conflict between Israeli and Palestinians. That's ridiculous.
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Germans on the other hand should ask Israel for compensation for Jews killing over 1.7 German Christians.

Ukrainian should demand compensation from Israel for Jew-communist leaders' henocide of seven million Christians.

Russia should demand compensation for the murder of 60-100 million Christians under Jew-communist rule.
Man they really come out of the woodwork don't they.
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... poor soul, I pity you.
I piggy you too.
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... 12 percent of the german army personal are female, rate increasing. ...
Wrong way. Specially mothers should never be fighting soldiers. It's not good, that mothers are killing the suns and daughters of other mothers. This smells like a kind of extended suicide.
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Wrong way. Specially mothers should never be fighting soldiers. It's not good, that mothers are killing the suns and daughters of other mothers. This smells like a kind of extended suicide.
But, according to you, it must then be alright when fathers kill.

Are you sure, your real name is not R. Sole ?


When will you stop your spamming ?

I clearly wrote:

12 percent of the german army personal are female, rate increasing.#

Not one single mention of them being part of the potential fighting force.

But as always you twist sentences or omit parts of them to suit your weird mind.

Checking up I found that you are spamming all over the net.

anobsitar - Google-Suche

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.
What about finding a job for yourself instead of wasting other peoples time and bandwidth.

Or go to church and pray.
If you pray long and hard enough God might have mercy and give you a bit of brain.
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Right, jviehe.
But the way politics are done in a political system, the rules of legislating, the impossibility to get a majority to support certain policies etc. are -especially in the German case- an outcome of the countryīs history and the lessons learned from it.
So in my opinion past and present canīt just chronically be seperated but the former has quite its influence on the latter.

Without knowing the failures of the past and what caused those in the first place, you canīt be aware of the present distresses which might yield the same results again. So, I feel the obligation to be aware and to accept the responsibility. Not to my disadvantage anyway, for I donīt feel guilty or see myself as a citizen of a bad country. Itīs just, that my education -as regarding being German- gave me a certain attention to behaviour similar to those who stroke humanity 70 years ago.
Thatīs about it.
On the other hand: if every nation or ethnic group had cleared up their historical wrongdoing as did the nowadays German generation, then to me it seems plausible, that the chance of violent conflicts diminishes over time.


It is allright when you are taught about german history in school.
If you are good, you try to get as much info as you can about the relevant bits, then make up your mind. In your case as in mine this would be(for me it alredy was)
I will never do what they did, I will not let the same thing happen again.
And that is IT.
No need to go through everything again every day of your life. For if you are serious about it, every time something related to this particular part of the past crops up your first and instant reaction will be NO

And donīt fool yourself, no other nation worldwide is as self-critical as the Germans.

For the english and every offspring of theirs self criticism and a feeling of guilt simply does not exist.

Their standard word is

Right or wrong, my country


To hope,for wars to diminish or dissappear is futile.
If the arms industries were to be stopped, several million people worldwide would be jobless, unrest would follow and agression would be the rule.

Violence will not be extinct until all humanity has dissappeared from this planet.
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Do you really believe this crap ?
That guy is definitely NOT german. the way he writes he can only be austrian.
Like Hitler, Eichmann and Schwarzenegger.
This guy is -at best- a german hater.
Glad to see you made an assessment upon that guy. I'm tired of him.

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But, according to you, it must then be alright when fathers kill.
No - it only makes sense when Nazis are not anymore still alive.
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... And don´t fool yourself, no other nation worldwide is as self-critical as the Germans.
Wonderful country.

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... Violence will not be extinct until all humanity has dissappeared from this planet.
You like to kill all human beings? "Interesting"
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