You are not tired - you are in a very deep deadly sleep. Time to wake up.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Indeed, I have the same impression. Spamming seems to be the job of that guy. How terrible!

Don't be mawkish. Have no interest to talk to you -- merely wasting of time.

Di you know what Natzis are doing with a chinese? They are wasting time with him, idiot.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Keep praying hard, god may forgive you, a ugly soul.

Did I say it? There is not really a big difference between left and right Nazis. There are a lot of extended suiciders in the world.

Nazis are killing ...



.... and killing ...


.... and torturing:



Oh sorry - last picture were chinese methods (it's in German with some illustrations): Foltermethoden in der VR China- Internationale Gesellschaft für Menschenrechte e.V.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

I have stopped debating Anobsitar; no point in trying to reason with someone who calls their opponents "Nazi's" when a debate gets heated and they run out of arguments.

Iīm not as naive to believe that everything just turns out to be fine and peaceful as soon as people realize all the shit of their countryīs past.
All I say is: the more people know about the historical incidents that led to misery, the less likely the recurrence of that patterns will be.
Than again, itīs another question how the will of people translates into political outcome but to me it just seems plausible that in case people are reluctant to violence the probability of war is smaller than vice verca.

And I think you put a little too much weight on arms industries. I donīt follow your chain of "arms workers getting jobless and aggression will be the rule".
If all the money put in that branch would be used alternatively, everyone would be better off. For weapons donīt yield any use with one sole exception: the perceived security or deterrence to others. Because the necessity to enforce your countryīs capabilities to be defended ultimately is dependent on the electorateīs opinion on that issue. Thus: if people donīt see the necessity in that any more, there will be no longer use in having military capabilities in that scope.
Because if you donīt believe in the necessity of weapons to supply a secure living, than all that weapons can give you is a loud "boom".

That large amounts of public expenditures put in any alternative sector which actually does produce anything of worth to people (pencils, toothbrushes or whatever) will increase the countryīs income in the end. And former employers within arms industries would then have jobs in other sectors, while wasting less public money than before. Even if they had lower wages in their new engagement than before, the public could compensate that difference in wages by transfers and still less money is wasted.
Thatīs getting too much of a discussion on economics now. Sorry for digressing.

Yeah - you're right. Nazism is a very bad thing. Nice from you to hear that you hate Hitler and Nazism and you are condemning that Nazis misued nearly everything whatever was 'german' (deutsch) in history. This dirty bastards are contaminating even today everything with the cadaverous odour of their thoughts.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Ahhhh I will pay a little more attention to you. I would say the consequences of diversity are poisoning Germany today; Germany is a nation that is being demographically transformed into a Caliphate republic while anyone who complains about it faces a prison sentence. You want to know where the so called "Nazis" are coming from? You want to blame someone for the rise of Nazism in Germany? Blame your government for turning Germany into a New Istanbul.

Germany is a festering corpse that forgot to lie down and assume the position of a dead nation.

kantuni;
It is the nature of the arms industries to employ their representatives in government to maintain a state of alarm in the population from which those industries, and their employees, will prosper. The people's perception of a requirement for the products of arms industries is manipulated.

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I think your feeling is heavily influenced by "our" German discomfort with our army and the military in general. It`s just the way, that Germans prefer to believe that only the "others" were protecting Germany and Western Europe,@
‚—hile in reality we should take pride in our contribution to NATO during the cold war. The French had nice words about our contributions: "the US defended the air over Europe, kept us safe under their atomic umbrella, but it has been the Germans that stood on guard on the ground with their tanks."

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"Homo Homini Lupus"
Thomas Hobbes

Iīd rather claim, that the nature of any industry is to supply commodities and services. And the effort to manipulate the political arena in their favour is not constricted to the arms industries. Lobbying is a tool engaged by any political movement, i.e. not just tobacco, automobile or weapon industries but environmental groups as well have their personnel sent to the delegates in order to convince them of their view on legislating issues.
Thatīs the way it works.
Still I share a bad feeling about it, for small groups do have a very defined interest and can more or less exactly measure the impact on their branch if a new law was enacted. If good for them they support and if not they throw all they can afford in the ring in order to circumvent it (until the monetary effort in avoiding the law equals the costs of that law being enacted).
However, the majority canīt keep up because "the majority" does not have one single interest in a law for it affects the very different people of the majority in a either a very different way (rich vs. poor, employer vs employee, old vs. young etc.) and therefore the clearly defined interest group on the one side does not face a clear opponent on the other.
I see that as a democratic problem.
But past has shown that bills can be put through even if very strong interest groups (like Germann tobacco lobbies or automobile producer and user lobbies and the biased media supporting them) oppose it.
So, why should there be a difference to arms industries?
Cars bear a great deal of positive emotions (freedom, mobility, high technology, masculinity etc.) and might hamper the public support to confine the availibilty of cars (by enforcing higher environmental standards or rising taxes on fuel). The arms industry, by contrast, does hardly raise any good feelings (talking about Germany, no offense to any NRA disciples ) and mobilizing the public to protect that sector seems quite harder.

So I am confident, that arms industries do not have a more effective lobby than others do and if automobile-officials canīt get their interests through, why should others?

Well, nice compliments by the French.
But beyond defending the German interests in terms of transferring Deusch-Marks to the NATO, where did any German soldier engage throughout the cold war?
Was any German soldier killed in action while Germany was the front-line of the two super-powers?
Iīm not aware of any German assignment in defending Germany by fighting for it. That surely does not mean it didnīt occur. But the fact that I never heard of it makes me think, it didnīt.

"Standing guard" is quite easy if it keeps quite. I was told, that in case of war the German (and Allied) strategy was, not to keep the Soviets out of German borders, but to draw the fight on German soil. Thus main parts of Germany were to be given up or at least it was accepted, that vast areas of the country would have turned into a battle field. Now, thatīs speculating because I never saw any official statement conferring that strategy. Do you (or anyone) know more about it?

[quote=anobsitar;1218354]Wonderful country.



You like to kill all human beings? "Interesting" [/QUOTE



Since when is disappearing equivalent to killing ?

Get a life for yourself !!
In case you beleve yourself to be witty or clever, you´re neither.
You´re merely braindead.

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If you want to be a hero then just follow me.

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