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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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Why should they?.
Hey don't ask me, it's not my point of view.

The older generation seems to think so, the stupid media continues to make this case again and again, so no wonder our government is repeating this stuff.
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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Hey don't ask me, it's not my point of view.

The older generation seems to think so, the stupid media continues to make this case again and again, so no wonder our government is repeating this stuff.
The media loves conflict and causing trouble. If nothing bad is happening sometimes they make something bad happen or they just talk about something bad that happened in the past.
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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This kind of thing would never end...next would be the Irish, what about all of the small countries ravaged by Russia after WWII?
Answer - no, Germany owes Israel nothing.
Tell me ,why my reply is deleted???
"WHen a moderator deletes a thread, and gives reason why - do not repost thread."----but I did not received any reason from anyone!!!
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Tell me ,why my reply is deleted???
"WHen a moderator deletes a thread, and gives reason why - do not repost thread."----but I did not received any reason from anyone!!!
Your reply was deleted because it was a cut and paste of someone else's words.

This is a discussion forum. Just posting a quote from someone else, without adding your own thoughts, isn't really discussion.

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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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Your reply was deleted because it was a cut and paste of someone else's words.

This is a discussion forum. Just posting a quote from someone else, without adding your own thoughts, isn't really discussion.

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OK, can you just google my reply statement? And see if you can find anything!
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

There're even more deleting threads than forums of China!
Sometimes ,the modrator doesn't like our views!
Sometimes , we don't abied by the rule here!
whatever reason for, the modrator should told us!
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OK, I accept. rule..rule..rule.....I will read it
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... We apologized our ass off. ...
That's the reason why he has no ass:

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... Well only because you wouldn't want to defend Germany, doesn't mean that the rest of us (62% men/ 34 % Women) wouldn't do so!
34% women? Never Women defended Germany with weapons in the past. Nearly no woman ist looking for a job in the German army. 55% of all Germans are impractical for the army - Germany has not even enough money for the army, that is only able to defend Germany in the same way like in the cold war. Please what a bullshit are people talking about? The german army is so lousy that it is not even able to defend a molehill in a practicable way. There's no concept and the material of the army is old stuff. In this situation people are talking about to defend Israel? If the army of Israel would like to conquer Germany it would need one or two weeks for this job. And some absolute stupid Germans are discussing about wether the German army should defend Israel??? That's crazy - nothing else than complete crazy and irrealistic. Antisemitic bullshit.
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... Now, I will show you a picture which was forbidden in the soviet block, especially in Poland, for many, many years: ...
Never heard about. Why should someone forbid this picture from chancellor Willy Brand?
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The whole article is nothing else than an antisemitic propaganda. Most Germans don't feel comfortable to be Germans - that's the whole background of such a bullshit. This left kind of antisemitism is an open secret for everyone who is living in Germany.

If Israelis hear Germans discussing about that Germans don't like to defend Israel with weapons - I think they just will be happy about and laugh like crazy, because Jews anyhow don't like to be defended from Germans as in the years 1933-1945 they were defended from Germans. But perhaps only 10-20% of all Germans would defend their own country Germany with weapons.
Very interesting and enlightening post.

That is my general impression of Germany as an outsider.

Your last comment, which I have bolded, is exactly my impression as well - yet produced angry disagreement from several Americans here in another thread when I said something similar. It is interesting to see it repeated here by a German poster.
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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This kind of thing would never end...next would be the Irish, what about all of the small countries ravaged by Russia after WWII?
Answer - no, Germany owes Israel nothing.
Not quite the same thing....

As for Russia, they owe an apology to plenty of nations. In that case, it hasn't been that long since they attempted to destroy whole groups of people and smash whole cultures.

Germans have taken responsibility and apologized. Russians have not.
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Re: Most Germans Feel no Responsibility for Israel

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Very interesting and enlightening post.

That is my general impression of Germany as an outsider.

Your last comment, which I have bolded, is exactly my impression as well - yet produced angry disagreement from several Americans here in another thread when I said something similar. It is interesting to see it repeated here by a German poster.
Oh, that would be terrible for a nation. What's wrong with germans?
But Stapo showed another survey. Who is correct?
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Oh, that would be terrible for a nation. What's wrong with germans?
But Stapo showed another survey. Who is correct?
What's wrong with them?

I wouldn't say there is something wrong. It is unquestionably true that the evil unleashed by the Nazis remains almost unique in history, although Stalin and Mao were comparable, as were Pol Pot and Idi Amin on a much, much smaller scale. The events of history last a long time.

I spent a few days in Berlin at Christmas, 2006, as part of a month in Germany. I thought of all that happened in that fascinating city in the last century: the Kaiserzeit; WWI; the end of the Hohenzollern dynasty and revolution; the Great Inflation of 1923; Weimar; Hitler's regime and the Nazi era; WWII; the boming of Berlin; invasion; the division of the city; the Soviet rule; the collapse of the Soviet Union; the restoration of a united Germany and a resurgent Berlin as capital.

Only one century.

The history of the city is everywhere - it is really too much to grasp. It's quite overwhelming. I walked from the Reichstag to the Brandenburg gate, and then visited the underground Holocaust museum. From there I saw what is left of the Checkpoint Charlie, looked at the small, very beautiful restored old city, walked down the Unter den Linden and visited the restored Berlincathedral for a concert. Then I looked at the Hohenzollern crypts in the cellar.

Remarkable experience. Every American should visit Berlin. I intend to return myself.

I don't think it is all that surprising that Germans are generally pacifist.
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But I am not very sure that soviet forbided this picture, can you show me some proofs?
I would love to, but the polish database for PAP-Photos which were forbidden up to1989 is no longer online.
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