there's a banner in Lasa stree after riot: learn thank
how much money and material assistance do Tibetan get from other ethnics.they know clearly
for few Tibetan people,they don't know how to thank others,they just complain other ethnics don't protect Tibet culture,but they even don't do it by themselves,they just know complain.

PS:I don't know what's wrong among American and Somali.i just know when Clinton was the US president.there were 2 black hawk down in there,I heard because the US Special Force commonder consider they have duty to capture the leader of warlord.
did some Somali threaten American when Hurricane Katrina ravage the South America?i feel like to know.who can tell me?

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Is this the thread in which one can arrange the purchase of World of Warcraft gold?

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Thank you for the info, much appreciated.
-But that really does not explain why they should be part of China.

Same goes to many other ethically different regions in China.

THat is what I expected from you.

Not really funny at all.
I think that your chinese view and my Northern European views collide here.

Most of them are/have been/will be.(mine is)


THat kind of thinking is linked with EU and united Europe. I am not big fan of that.

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too bad you don't love the Indigenes Mexican people in California.

Fennica,by your logic,one China would be 100+ new countries, Yun Nan province would be 25 new countries,because there are 25 ethnics live in there
we can't bear this.our education taught us" every ethnic is equal,China is a family,every member of this family must love each other". i think this is right,and most Chinese agree this.i can't bear your logic,why different ethnic people can't live together?why different ethnic should fight for land every day,every year?
in Shi Chuan province,these students are belong to different ethnics.Bei Chuan middle school,it was taken in days ago

but in the earth quake,you will see everybody is weak. life is equal.we just little human race
dead students of Bei Chuan middle school,5/15,2008
people must love each other,but not kill each other.if human don't love themselves,who love human race?why should people fight?we treat Tibetan kindly,we do much for them.we don't want they do something for us.we just wish they love other ethnic,this is our purpose.

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Fennica,western world have their own values,and we Chinese have our values,why westerners can't let Chinese live in the Earth on our way.why westerners force Chinese live in the Earth on western way--change our system,separate our country.do you know most Chinese love westerners,but every Chinese strongly object westerners seperate China? Do you understand us?
you think one pure ethnic Nation is great.
but we think different ethnics live together peaceful is great too.
why should we must build pure one ethnic China? Do you really respect 56 ethnics of China?

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May I suggest to go even further back ?

Let`s all jump into the sea like lemmings.
I volunteer with my people to coordinate the jumping,
Then we will go last.

Honest, we´ll follow the rest of you.....but only for a short swim. Too much work to be done breeding a new humanity to our liking.

Goodbye kids, on three you jump.
armies first, then the males, women according to age, the old uns first.The young uns will assist us for a short million years.

:001_smi le:001_smi le
See you in paradise

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But actually, China's claim to Tibet is more like China's claim to Vietnam than Vietnam's claim to Guangdong. Didn't China rule Vietnam for something like 1000 years, long ago? I wouldn't recommend trying to take it back, though. Those guys can be a pain in the butt.
Well, they didnīt really rule it, they just took tributes from the kingdoms of northern Vietnam, the south paid to the Indians.

Too bad that the Chinese on leaving Vietnam (rather getting kicked out)
forgot Ho Chi Minh

If not for that guy, Vietnam would still be a nice and quiet french province.


But then, it seems so can the Tibetans. But I tell you what. I'd be happy to have a plebiscite here in California to decide whether we want to remain part of the U.S. or go back to Mexico. I think I can predict how even Mexican citizen residents of the state will vote.
Donīt suggest that. China might take your word for it and a plebiscite held in Tibet would bring a clear majority for China.
More Chinese live there now than Tibetans.
Wonder why. thereīs hardly anything to be gained from a mainly barren Land.

Just makes you wonder what some folks will steal from others just to prove their "superiority"



Getting a little more serious. China needs to get used to being criticized by foreigners. That's part of the game when you emerge into great-power status. China's occupation of Tibet isn't like the U.S. occupation of California, it's like the U.S. occupation of Iraq, or, rather more recently than when China did this, of Vietnam. We got a lot of flak for those two occupations, and in my opinion deservedly so. China deserves the criticism you're getting for Tibet, too. No nation in the world is perfect. That includes China.
Thereīs your error.
the US do not intend to leave CA, the Chinese want to remain in Tibet.

Iraq and Vietnam were or still are just short stations for uncivilized arms sales talks.

Standard US procedure:
Invade a country, bomb the hell out of it, then tell the survivors youīve always been their best friend and youīll protect them, like it or not, on condition, they buy your old arms .
Two flies with one stroke. Your refuse brings cash to your bankrupt country
and the arms industry can produce new weapons, thus preventing redundancies.
Recruit some jobless kids and station them uniformed in your new friends country - purely for protection - and let your new friends pay for their keep.
This will greatly reduce your social security payments at home.

No fantasy,thatīs what happened for instance in Germany.

To undermine your need to protect the Germans you also created a nice little cold war.
This again gave the Russians the option to do likewise in eastern Germany.

So the US got rid of some 350000 layabouts and had Germany pay for their keep.
The Germans loved you for that. They wanted only the best for you, like long holidays. They even wrote it in huge letters on house walls :

AMI GO HOME

The Brits and French followed your example, also Belgians and Dutch.

Peculiar enough, (West-) Germany fed your jobless while having less than 1 percent jobless themselves. And even those were mainly former soldiers, returning from siberian imprisonment where they had helped the Russians to exploit their natural ressources.
All free of cost and out of the goodness of their hearts.
But still the jobless rate in the US grew. So it was time for Korea. Vietnam followed at the next major recession.
These days you are befriending the Afghans and the Iraqis
Should the depression get worse you always have the options for Iran and Syria.
You DID stay out of Darfur though. Small wonder, where people canīt feed themselves they canīt feed your lot either.

The US saviors also brought Germany drugs and taught the kids how to properly harrass unsuspecting people in the street.
That lesson bore fruit and is nowadays used by the GOP relatives, the Neo-Nazis.

One last word:
I wonder why the ungrateful Germans donīt like the US nowadays as much as they did when they still were in the US stranglehold.


I sincerely apologize for the above rant, especially in your post as I regard you as one of the very few reasonable and honest Americans.

But I had to get this off of my chest.

Again, sorry.

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The British believed in the early to mid-1930's that Korea was better off under Japanese rule, and perhaps it was.

If it is politically and diplomatically advantageous, western governments will air and encourage such views. If it is not, they will condemn and set about encouraging trendy bandwagons for fickle individuals to jump upon.

There is little doubt that Tibet was an absolute nightmarish place to live, with slavery rife under home rule and a justice system that makes China's justice system look Utopian compared. Tibet is far and away better off being under China's wing.

An interesting summary.

So it would be OK for, say, Florida to secede from the union? Or for there to be a Southern Baptist State of the United States?

I used to live where a dog barked incessantly at the house behind mine. I thought of stringing clothes line about every 12 inches all over my backyard and slipping Tibetan prayer flags as thick as they could stick and see how fast I was in violation of some ordinance or restriction instead of the owner of that dog barking 24/7.

In European continent lies an area which used to be called "Jugoslavia". It was a nation created in the turmoil era right after second World War.
In the 90's, the ethnic tensions exploded and kinships fought bitter civil war.

Sometimes it is better to have own kin in one nation, and different in the neighbour.
Throughout history, European nations have been either of one kin, or many very similar kins joined together. Some areas which belonged to a larger nation but held own kin, are now independent nations.

By those definitions China is a parent-name to various different kins.
If you are able to live in peace, it is all good.
-But Tibetan do not wish to be part of China-union. If they feel that they want to be on their own, do you have a right to stop them?

Well, from my own origins, I have to say; because they can.
European wars, for the past two thousand years, have been just that.

Yes, that we are; all of us are humans. But Different kinships have different opinions, customs, habits.
These variations separate Finns from Russo, Hungarians from Polish, Shi Huan from Tibetan.

If all would think like that, there is a high possibility not to have wars at all.
-But humans are beasts towards other humans. As long as they are even in some way; different.
(And sometimes brother goes against brother in civil wars. And for some reason, those wars are the most brutal in existance)
Cultural history is now studying weather Warfare has been part of Homo Sapiens sapiens mindset from the very beginning.

I understand that. But surely ethnics also have right to choose for themselves?
-And again; due to the fact that Soviet Union, before WW2, thought that we'd belong to them, I view matters in that manner.

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I think that "Western" is as elusive as a term as "Eastern". Including hundreds of differnt cultural spheres which are only remotely similar.
Seriously; Portugese are supposed to be Western, right? So are Finns?
-But we don't look alike, we don't talk alike, we have different opinions, different culture, different customs, even different political arena.
-Seems that the only connection would be the free and democratic society. But even then there are huge differentions.
Well.. my nation is doing just fine. Small nation made from five tribes.
Larger the nation, more the kinships-->more the trouble.

If there would be 56 different nations in China, I'd respect nations which would be worthy of respect through their actions.
THey themselves would cause either loath or respect.
-Large nation does not automatically mean that it should be respected.

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i sure 3% Tibetan told you this in Europe and USA.but do you know other 97% Tibetan Natives's mind? how many Tibetan riot in Lasa in 3-14? just some believers of Dalai's Church. other buddhism churches and natives didn't join them.

as one Tibetan said: i don't know only one westerner.but they pretend know me.but they have never been to my home to see me.

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