American consider they bought California from Mexico,but Mexico people have different view.they consider that's trap.

was Guang Dong a part of Vietnam?oh no,Vietnamese have never ruled Guang Dong.their forfarther just live in there before they go to Vietnam,but not rule there.in in Spring and Autumn and Warring States periods of China,Most little kingdoms fight against each other.
Tibet is a different issue.Tibet is always under China's rule--although the China empersors were Mongolian and Manchurian,not Han.different government inherit Tibet from the former government.but not CCP take it from Dalai Lama in 1959,before 1959,it's ROC(KMT) rule Tibet,in 1949,KMT failed in the civil war,they went to Taiwan
if Dalai want a "pure Tibetan area",Muslims live in Tibet more than 1,000 years,then how do you think Buddhism Tibetan should treat Muslims?kill them to built a "pure Tibetan area"?

by the way,how do you define "Tibetan",in Tibet,not all Natives consider they are not Tibetan.Tibetan is mixed ethnic,some natives said they are "Meng Ba ethnic " etc.actually,CCP said all Tibetan is one ethnic,this is wrong.even Dalai Lama,in his hometown,there's no much buddhism in there,most people are Muslims.

you don't like,you object,but you must face: Tibet is a part of China now.
it like California is a state of USA.some mexican want get it back,but their asking is unreasonable.

you can't compare Tibet with Vietnam and Iraq war.those are different questions.

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in one sentence: Tibet is a part of China.some foreigners don't want to face this,but no one could change this.
"Free Tibet" by mouth can't change anything.

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Hey, west guys here, whatever you say, any Chinese will still consider Tibet is a part of China!
And a great fact is that Han and Tibet people are living well together in the same land!
Don't waste too many times to do what have no affect on Chinese!
So tired now!
I love that adorable American girl!
I would love American people!
I love more deeply Han and Tibet people than any west guys here!

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(1) The only difference is a matter of time. If you want to hold China accountable for what you see as its crimes, I am free to hold the US accontable for its crimes.

(2) You know for a fact that China withdrawing from Tibet would be a good thing, and, more importantly, that it's what the Tibetans want? I hold no torch for the Chinese government, but it has undoubtedly dragged Tibet from being an illiterate fuedal theocracy to something approaching a modern society. China has many civil rights problems, but it does not need foreigners with little or not grasp of its situation lecturing it, especially if it is being held to unreasonable standards.

Ipso facto- “power come out of the barrel of a gun”...where have I heard that before?

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If you say so, I can tell you that not only mobs have gun, but Chinese have gun also!
We love peace, we will do our best to solve problems in peaceful ways!
But Chinese won't be fear of war when we face threat of dominion!

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Actually, California, New Mexico, Texas, et al were the result of negotiated settlements. Several back and forth conflicts, battles, wars resulting in what you see today. I like that part of the dividing line between Mexico and Texas is the Rio Grande which has the nasty habit of meandering resulting in an international border that shifts position. One day your in Mexico and a week later you're not.

-Greetings to all new Chinese people, and welcome to the forums. Hope you'll stay, more diverse crowd is always for the better.-

Winter; I am from a small yet defiant nation which too, has been said to be part of another nation. Wars have been fought and we are still here, still independent and free.
¤Tibetian are not kin to the chinese, yes?(to any of the many kin there)
¤Do they have the same customs and traditions?(in other words, culture.)
¤Do they have the same language, and similar mindset?

If answers are "no", then Tibet is not part of China through anything but aggression.

What benefits do chinese have from occupation of Tibet? That is an intresting question.

Now, I do know that Tibet had totalitarian theocracy before chinese invaded, but that does not mean that they should return to the old form of rule after chinese have left.

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there are 56 ethnics in China(textbook,in fact,there are more than 56 ethnics in China).Tibetan is one of them,as other ethnic,they have different skin.i had asked a westerner how does he define "Tibetan"? if one natvie born in Tibet,then he is Tibetan?say again,most muslims live in Tibet since Tang dynasty--thousand years ago,they are not buddhists,they have not same skin as buddhists(most muslims don't get marry with buddhists in China,most muslims don't get marry with antitheist).are they Tibetan? yes ,of course they are Tibetan.
and say again,Tibetan buddhists natives,most of them don't think they are belong to one ethnic,in the south of Tibet--near India,some natives strongly hate Dalai Lama,when Dalai Lama have a speech in there,some Tibetan went there to protest Dalai.they have different face too.how do you feel them?should they separte with Tibet?just because they have different skin and religion belief.
you logic is fail
in China,in every province,people have different customs and traditions.for example,in Shan Xi,native muslims have their own customs,they in white hat.but in Bei Jing and Kai Feng(He Nan province),muslisms in red hat.in some area of China,muslims in blue hat. they have different customs,they live in different province,but they are belong to one ethnic-Hui.
by your logic,should Bei Jing and He Nan separte with China?

I can say Madarin,but in my home town--locate in Ru Chen county,Chen Zhou,Hu Nan province,there are two local language,one language is Hakas,I can say Hakas,this is my mother lanaguage,and i can say another dialect.i studied Madarin in school,i studies English in school.after i left School,i went to Shen Zhen--I am still here.the Natives speak Hakas too.but few of them speak Cantonese,i can say a little Cantonese(but not too much)
should my hometown separate with China?because we don't speak Madarin when we were born.
by the way,in Tibet,there are much local language too.for example,Tibetan in Lasa speak one language,but in other place,Tibetan speak other language,when Lasa Tibetan go to Ah-Ba,Shi Chuan province(there are four ethnics live in there,Tibetan is one of them).they can't talk with Native Tibetan.
so,i suggest you had better learn more about China.
if just people have different skin,custom,language,then China should be separated.then that's too funny.there's no pure one ethnic country in this world.different ethnic must love each other,but not kill others.
in Gui Zhou province,in Yun Nan province,there are many ethnics live together,but they don't kill each other,they live peaceful.
in China,actually,people concern with this: do you have enough ability to do work.but don't care which ethnic r u belong to.

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introduce you read a thread.these guys live with Tibetan for long time.see how do they feel few Tibetan people?
most posters are minority people,they are not Han,but they consider Tibetan did much wrong this time.
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you can translate it by software to read it.most of them live in Tibet,and have many Tibetan friends
by the way,they are students,in China,minority students usually study in "minority colleague",in this kind of colleague,Tibetan students live together with other ethnic people.
most other ethnic students feel Tibetan students don't believe themselves,they are self-contemptuous,they have no much confidence when they face other ethnic student.they just complain this,complain that.but most of them don't try to do.
here is a funny problem.most other ethnic people go to Tibet to teach Tibean kids.but most Tibetan student are used to live in modern city,they don't want to back Tibet.but at them same time,they complain Government didn't do much to protect Tibet culture.but they Tibetan student even don't back to Tibet to protect their own culture.
Tibetan student said directly when they face other ethnic,they look down on people who has no religion belief,they feel this kind of people are dirty.how do you feel this?they just say how great their culture is,how bad and how dirty other religion is(such as Islam,Tibetan hate muslim very much).don't you feel their mind too exclusive?
they said Madarin language is dirty,but other ethnic people speak Madarin.they said Tibetan offcer are not in important position. other ethnic officer in important position.Tibetan even don't like to learn Madarin,if Chinese President is Tibetan,and he doesn't speak Madarin.how does he lead China?every ethnic speak Madarin,and officer speak Madarin too,just Tibetan compalin this
OK.they complain anything.Tibetan don't pay any tax.other ethnics pay tax,and Government give much money to them.Tibeta Lama(monks) don't do anything,government give them sallary,they buy notebook computer and cell phone by government's money, but Tibetan consider this is not enough.they want more.and they complain much: you other ethnic don't do much good for we Tibetan,you are dirty,other ethnics out of Tibet.don't dirty Tibet

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Daily Kos: State of the Nation
a good article,it's worth to read

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many people died in the earthquake.
many ethnics people enthusiastically offered their blood.many people give money
where's Tibetan?other ethnics did much for them.what do they do for other ethnics people now?

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Or, if you believe Obama, the 61st...

I agree!!! When Hurricane Katrina hit why didn't the Somali people rally their forces and ship aid to the U.S.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Mao said this in the first China civil war
but think about it,why KMT failed in the civil war in 1949?because people don't support them.Chiang Khaisherk has 8 million soldiers,but more than 1 million soldiers surrendered to CCP.

in Tibet,this is different,how many people want indepence?just few,Dalai is a smart politician.
the problem is :Tibetan get everything they want from other ethnic,but they dislike other ethnic,they prefer close themselves

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