I am sorry, but China and Russia, including the former USSR, have brought war into the world. For China, let me see, Qin Shi Huangdi did conquer the other kingdoms including the Zhao kingdom and the other warring states. But of course, in every dynasty sine the Qin, the emperors did attempt or completed mitirary conquests of the surrounding tribes up until the Republic of China. When the communists took over, and I will leave Tibet alone for this argument, the CcP did support groups like UNITA in Angola against the current ruling party. Or we can talk abo0ut the Maoists in the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, Sri Lanka, and in toher parts of the Asiatic. Russia, also known as USSR, did the same thing. But lets not forget the Oil for Food scandal wihich Russia, Germany, France, and a few other government were involved in undoing the UNSC resolutions and why Iraq is in this bloody mess.

From a practical standpoint, the trade pact makes sense. china is Russias largest trading partner. But Russia entered into the trade as a hedge against the EU while China did it as a hedge against the US, Japan, and Korea. However, the US has trade agreements with Korea, Chile, Canada, Mexico, and other countries as well. Lets not try to put propaganda into this by thinking this is the greatest thing since rice was invented, shall we?

It seems to be an impossibility to you....but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Any rational person would say that this type of thing shouldn't be going on.....but since I have worked on the inside and have been privy to some aspects of "Black Ops" in the military when I was active duty....and as a DOD employee......nothing is beyond the realm of possibility to me.

I have seen some things you would never believe so I can understand your reluctance. I know how Special Operations work and I know that Russia had the time and the motive to provide an assist in the coverup.

Something similar happened during the first Gulf War. Iraq flew all of their fixed-wing aircraft to Iran to protect them from being captured by US forces even though we never invaded a large portion of Iraq. This was their first reaction and the same goes for the incriminating WMDs that were removed to Syria and Lebanon.

Two convoys left Baghdad...one to Lebanon and another to Jordan. There is no proof of what they carried because "journalists" and "diplomats" were in those convoys. Also Spetnatz agents, but we wouldn't know this because we didn't want to offend the Russians.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

I wouldn't say impossible, just unlikely and as it's mainly only Shaw who's making this claims, it's not that confincing.

Not the first time an ex-official comes up with a conspiracy theory, only to make a living/get attention.

Not long ago we had a German ex-official (forgot his name+ position) presenting his book about Mossad+9/11 being responsible for 9/11.

It only proofs, that government agencies tend to hire more idiots than the private sector and that's probably true for all governments, also yours.

By the way I think we both talked about this one before.

Two convoys aren't really enough, giving the fact that there were hundreds of tons of alleged wmd, equipment and documents to be moved.

By the way funny that "you" didn't want to offend the Russians, especially as this would be a real big story,if it only was true.

For me the main point remains, why should the Russians wanted to offend you by such actions?? There is so much to be lost for them and nothing to gain.

Secondly you "own" Iraq for a long time now, isn't it strange that no Iraqi came up with such claims until now.

I mean, they aren't stupid and know that e.g. right wing organisations in the USA would be more than willing to provide huge ammounts of money for any information to help their beloved Bush.

By the way don't you think that there are die-hard-fanatic-supporters (just like you; meant as a compliment) in service/duty, who would have provided more information on this one?

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Funny you named two places utmost unreal for the entire spectrum of probabilities. Neither Lebanon nor Jordan is a client or allied state of Russia. Jordan is merely a marionette of the US, and Lebanon is the place where the US' and European influence clashes; Russian business is not represented there, it has no solid trustworthy political base for the deals of thousand times lesser importance then would-be covert WMD proliferation. So your "Spetnatz" (-SPETZNAZ- strange thing enough that such expert in special OPs cannot spell it right) agents could have moved to UK or Greece with the same effect.
These two convoys most likely transferred the stuff from the National Treasury and museums - typical situation for the upcoming assault, turmoil, chaos and regime change. Now this gold is in the US banks and the ancient Babylon trasures - in private collections, no doubt. So, in the conditions of the regime collapse, Antanta intervention and bolshevik's coup the gold stockpiles and uncountable treasures of the Czar's Russian Empire was stolen and moved to the West. The war is death and pain for the millions but for the dozens it's fishing in troubled waters. Everythere everytime the same story.
As for the secret WMD moving from country to country, this is more likely in the US interests. The direct profit is obvious - eternal excuse to invade the next country "to seek" elusive imaginative WMDs. Few idiotic sattelite images of some trucks or hangars - and behold, the evidence is ready, quick and cheap like hot-dog. No wonder if in this situation every country will try to obtain nuclear deterrent weapons to protect itself against Terror State. One day Russia or China, or both together simply build up the nuclear defence for Iran, this projection of robberies and killings in the ME and other parts of Eurasia from the oversees alien continent must end.

The media said that there were hundreds of tons of chemical agents.

Truth is Saddam had enough Sarin Gas on hand just to fill a tracter-trailer.


You see Sarin decays quickly. If it isn't used within a few weeks it becomes useless. Most of what he had was unmixed agents called Binary Agents. When they are separate they are harmless, but mix them and they become deadly Sarin Gas. He had just enough to restart his chemical weapons programs within 6 weeks.

They could have fit everything on several trucks which they kept in constant motion during UN inspections.

All they had to do was drive them to the nearest border....Jordan or Syria to remove the evidence.

Now to answer why the Russians would want to help remove the WMDs......the answer is to discredit the Bush Administration. No WMDs and we lose all credibility.

Paybacks for the 80' Afghan War.

They are currently working with Hugo Chavez and several oil producing countries in an attempt to drive up the price of oil thus causing our economy to hit a Recession or maybe even a Depression.

More paybacks for the war.

We did it to them and they're doing it to us now.....with the help of our Democrats in Washington.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Ahem... ahem... Bin Laden is the creation of USA.

That was you, who created the monster of radical islam, that was you, who created and supported bases of islamists in Pakistan near afghan borders.

The goal of USSR in Afghanistan was the stabilization and modernization of this area (Afghanistan). How many schools, hospitals did you built in Afghanistan? Zero.

USA is not interested in peace, it is interested in constant war on Eurasian continent, so USA could control the area and get profits from destabilization.

USA is the evil power.

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Please watch this:


Shocking video of results of Georgian attack on South Osetia
CNN is spreading propaganda!
American witness: "Not only Georgia, but also U.S. are responsible for the violence in South Ossetia"
Mark Almond: It's simplistic to cast Russia as sole villain in South Ossetia clashes

Yes, I think so!
USA only bring war to Afghanistan or all Arabs without any rebuilding!
Iraq people is living terroist and pains everyday!
USA only want a democratic Iraq , in fact, USA only want more oil,
USA won't care life and safe of Iraq people!

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Looks like we have built of refurbished over 600 schools and 600 hospitals.
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PDACL157.pdf

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

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No rebuilding? Is that the shit they are feeding you in the people's republic?

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Hi, don't be so ablaze!
We are talking about Afghanistan war, not China earthquake!
When wind got America, China ever aided USA also!
You can check cash, China to USA is more than USA to China I think!
Certainly We are appreciate your helping!
But don't forget Iraq people and Afghanistan people's pains!

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[quote=xy_god;1225818]Hi, don't be so ablaze!

ablaze?

I'm not the one who brought up Afghanistan.

wind?

huh? What the hell are you talking about?

We aren't.

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[quote=ThorHammer;1225831]Hurricane Katrina 2005 in USA
flood 2007 in USA

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Your point is what? And what does this have to do with me showing your claim that America isn't rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq is false?

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when the chinese gov starts caring about its own, call me....

Perhaps I have misreaded your words below!
My Englishi is very very poor!

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