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'Fort Knox at the Brandenburg Gate': German Critics Slam New US Embassy - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

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"The US Embassy will be the opposite of what American embassies, consulates and cultural centers once stood for," the newspaper writes. "The foreign representations of the US are no longer marked by inviting openness, but instead by rejection and control. ... The fact that this situation is given concrete form -- in Berlin of all places, the city that owes its current freedom and reunification in a large part to the decades-long commitment of the US -- is a bitter fact that the stage-managed jocularity of the coming opening celebrations cannot conceal."
Imagine you live in a city which has been a fortress for hardly fifty years. Imagine you live to see the day that fortress is becoming an open metropolis again, seeing your home-cities reputation as a center of art and cosmopolitanism beeing revived. Imagine finally seeing people coming from all different corners of Europe coming into your city, coming together peacefully. Just imagine the sweet taste of cultural exchange on your tounge, after decades of living isolated on an island, at the brink of a war.

And now, your best friend comes along, puts up his own place in your neighbourhood, in order to improve relations to you. And what he builts is a frigging cold fortress made of pure concrete, a lighthouse of paranoia. This is no embassy, this is an military-outpost in a world which, in contrast to many common american's perception, still is far from beeing hostile towards them.

I am dissapointed. You guys on the other shore have the money and the brains to built a fancy palace which suits both the city of Berlin and your own desire to improve your relations with us germans. You even might have enough star-architects to re-invent the architectural definition of "embassy". And you have the technology to make it a more or less safe place, anyway.

I take this embassy as a sign that lately, a quantum of additional security for a few americans is worth more than an adequade figurehead for both the american spirit and the german-american friendship.

I hope that many americans still rate our friendship higher than a wall of concrete. Berlin has had enough of those lately.
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

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I take this embassy as a sign that lately, a quantum of additional security for a few americans is worth more than an adequade figurehead for both the american spirit and the german-american friendship.

I hope that many americans still rate our friendship higher than a wall of concrete. Berlin has had enough of those lately.

Honestly I can't follow your (+ the spiegel's ) verdict on the new embassy.

I doesn't look that bad and honestly I'm more concerned, who is send over to work in there.

Maybe I'm hypercritical and a bit too focused on Germany, but I take it as a bit of an insult or stupidity, that the USA had sent ambassadors to my country, who couldn't speak one single, fu§%ing word of German.
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

You have to wonder about this-all this is going to do is polerise realations and increase the anti-Americanism. The fact is that Germany, like the UK, is Americas ally and is probably one of the most pro-American and peaceful countrys in Europe. this sends out entirly the wrong message.
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

What is the reason to build the embassy on the new place, what happened with the old one, located obviously in western part of Berlin?
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

You didnt happen to look at the pictures did you? Here is the emabassy:



Looks like a standard office building, and actually even a little prettier than the surrounding buildings. Oh and there is this part too. I have to wonder if you even read the articles you post, or just the headline.

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From the get-go, the project has been plagued by creative restrictions. There were the architectural restrictions imposed by the city of Berlin. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, Pariser Platz -- which was largely destroyed during World War II and formed part of the Berlin Wall death strip during the Cold War -- has been rebuilt according to the principle of "critical reconstruction," where the spirit of the pre-war square is retained in the design of the new buildings. Hence the architects faced a number of restrictions in terms of the height of the building, the size of windows and the symmetry of the design.
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Honestly I can't follow your (+ the spiegel's ) verdict on the new embassy.

I doesn't look that bad and honestly I'm more concerned, who is send over to work in there.

Maybe I'm hypercritical and a bit too focused on Germany, but I take it as a bit of an insult or stupidity, that the USA had sent ambassadors to my country, who couldn't speak one single, fu§%ing word of German.
They should be speaking the language of the host. That's not good. And, quick courses in the host language are readily available through State.
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They should be speaking the language of the host. That's not good. And, quick courses in the host language are readily available through State.
Im sure its a pretty common practice. Every nation has translators. It just happens that much of the world speaks english, so its not as neccesary to learn other languages. It makes a lot more sense for the international community to speak one language, than learn a few hundred.
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This looks like the embassy plans drawn up during the 80's, influenced heavily by the takeover of the US embassy in Iran by militant students.
Featuring such amenities as ballistic glass windows, sand filled blast walls (to deflect the power of a car bomb upward), and grenade grates over the skylights.
The first of these I believe was built in Islamabad, I actually saw the list of world capitals ranked by the state department from most dangerous to safest.
I forget where Berlin was on the list, probably near the bottom, although those were the days of the Bader-Meinhof Gang and The Red Brigade so Europe was probably not considered as safe as say Canada.
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

It looks fine I think.
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Im sure its a pretty common practice. Every nation has translators. It just happens that much of the world speaks english, so its not as neccesary to learn other languages. It makes a lot more sense for the international community to speak one language, than learn a few hundred.
However, it is a sign of respect. That's important to show in diplomatic circles. (The courses are easy and effective, too.)
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This looks like the embassy plans drawn up during the 80's, influenced heavily by the takeover of the US embassy in Iran by militant students.
Featuring such amenities as ballistic glass windows, sand filled blast walls (to deflect the power of a car bomb upward), and grenade grates over the skylights.
The first of these I believe was built in Islamabad, I actually saw the list of world capitals ranked by the state department from most dangerous to safest.
I forget where Berlin was on the list, probably near the bottom, although those were the days of the Bader-Meinhof Gang and The Red Brigade so Europe was probably not considered as safe as say Canada.
good points goober.

Also, IIRC, German intelligence services recently busted a group of 3 or 4 terrorists in Germany planning attacks against Americans. Now, whether or not the embassy was their intended target is irrelevant. It just goes to show that there are threats out there; even in Germany.
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It looks fine I think.
Agreed. I don't think it looks like a fortress at all.
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Re: Fancy new Yankee-Fortress finished in Krautistan, about to "improve" relations so

Perhapse Germans would've preferred something like this:



That there's a lot of security is of no concern; there should be. That Germans are bitching about the security suggests to me that it's a good thing the security is there...
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Perhapse Germans would've preferred something like this:



That there's a lot of security is of no concern; there should be. That Germans are bitching about the security suggests to me that it's a good thing the security is there...
You pic bombed, Steve. No show.

Funny you mentioned "The Wall" because it would still be up if America (capital "A", BTW) didn't put ugly looking military buildings all over Europe.

The days of palace embassies are over. Opportunist terrorists have quite obviously unburdened themselves of the necessity of following any sort of "decorum". Do not blame the U.S. Blame them.

Just because your area hasn't been ravaged by war recently doesn't mean it won't again. Woe be unto y'all when/if we finally pull up stakes and allow you to depend exclusively upon your own defense budgets.
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Imagine you live in a city which has been a fortress for hardly fifty years. Imagine you live to see the day that fortress is becoming an open metropolis again, seeing your home-cities reputation as a center of art and cosmopolitanism beeing revived. Imagine finally seeing people coming from all different corners of Europe coming into your city, coming together peacefully. Just imagine the sweet taste of cultural exchange on your tounge, after decades of living isolated on an island, at the brink of a war.

And now, your best friend comes along, puts up his own place in your neighbourhood, in order to improve relations to you. And what he builts is a frigging cold fortress made of pure concrete, a lighthouse of paranoia. This is no embassy, this is an military-outpost in a world which, in contrast to many common american's perception, still is far from beeing hostile towards them.

I am dissapointed. You guys on the other shore have the money and the brains to built a fancy palace which suits both the city of Berlin and your own desire to improve your relations with us germans. You even might have enough star-architects to re-invent the architectural definition of "embassy". And you have the technology to make it a more or less safe place, anyway.

I take this embassy as a sign that lately, a quantum of additional security for a few americans is worth more than an adequade figurehead for both the american spirit and the german-american friendship.

I hope that many americans still rate our friendship higher than a wall of concrete. Berlin has had enough of those lately.
lets see, embassy in Saigon, boom....embassy in Tehran, boom, embassy in Belgrade, inadequate security, according to its users, embassy in Damascus, embassies in Africa….embassies in….Kenya …Tanzania……

at the rate Europe is islamicizing , its only a matter of time..
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