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Sunshine · #31 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by xy_god

Oh, I don't wish you liking, my guys!
And I am here not for friends!
I only express my opinions, I won't care your feelings!

If you don't like my opinions, you can ignore them!
It's very lucky that you are not my friend!

Well you know, expressing opinions is all that some Americans have done and you want to change our entire system of government and censor us. So what gives you more right to express and unpopular opinion that us?????

It would seem that you have quite the double standard, there.

Good thing you aren't looking for friends. 'Cause you don't seem to be making any.

I'm not big on basketball like Luap, here, but I DO like a good Jackie Chan movie!

stillalive · #32 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by xy_god

Any media or celebraty must be under monitor of people especially for foreign medias in China!
We don't like them to brainwash us Chinese!
For CNN, We havn't believed west medias in China any more!

Oh pal, don´t make it too hard for me.

Controlling and censoring speech IS brainwashing.

In China (and russia and vietnam and and and ...) people are brainwashed daily.

But no fear, the same thing happens in the USA. Brainwashing there is done very subtle, starting from kindergarden through school and university right into daily life via press and TV.
That´s why US americans believe they are the cream of the planet.
(though most of them are merely the foam at the mouth)

They only hear what they are supposed to hear. But they still use the argument:
We are free to hear it.

Konrad Adenauer, the first chancellor of the FRG once said:
Put a roof over the US and you get the biggest nuthouse in the world.

Have a nice saturday.

stillalive · #33 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

When I was there, one of my guides said, "We do not have all the human rights that you have in America, but this is the best we have ever had it." I think it is sad that some there do not even UNDERSTAND our freedoms and rights.

I believe that, and I wish America had been the mother of modern China instead of the Soviets. Can you imagine what a world this would be if it were that way?

Thank god that did not happen.

The world could not compensate for 1,5 billion nutheads.

stillalive · #34 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

Thank you, but I generally keep my hands to myself.

It does not appear that way the way you are posting.

OK, OK, so you LIKE censorship. We here in America do not. One of our
forefathers said, "I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." Clearly, you would fight to the death to shut me up.

And for what it's worth, I came away from China having far more respect for her and her people that I do now after this hateful little discourse with YOU! If your mission is diplomacy, you have failed.

So Voltaire is one of your forefathers ?

And you´re sure that the news you get are not censored ?

And you believe, everything the Washington Post writes is true.

Wake up kid, look around you and realise that you live in big Brothers animal farm.

How was that:
Some animals are more equal than others - and we ALWAYS tell the truth, especially when we lie.

I can just imagine you in a foreign country, listening with a smile to your guide and starting every answer with
WELL IN AMERICA WE DO.......

Nate Peele · #35 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

Who you have met can't represent all Chinese!
Try to touch more Chinese!
We know America is better than China in many areas!
But in fact, not every area of American is good for being followed by China!
Such as Sharon, CNN, there's something that have told us that America is
something wrong in somewhere!
Such as Iraq war, it's an evil action by USA!

I really am not allowed to touch anymore Chinese since the restraining order. We could go into a whose more evil conversation here with Chinese support for Darfur and such, but China has been so important to our developing economy and to Walmart especially I'd rather not fight. I know that Sharon Stone's words might have stung, but at least you Chinese were spared from Basic Instinct 2. In the end, I think you got the better end of the deal.

stillalive · #36 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Luap

People in America have freedom of speech, and sometimes those words can hurt or offend. Some laws try to prevent those words, for example "defamation laws," but Americans are mostly free to say their opinions in public. Some opinions may be stupid and cruel, but most Americans would still stand up for a person's freedom to say those opinions. We don't like the idea of censorship.

Just look at all of the talk about Bush and the United States government on this message board. I am mostly free to offend my government and my leaders, and protest my laws. I can protest online, I can protest outside my home, I can protest in Washington. You say not every area of America is good for China to follow, and I agree. But is the freedom to criticize your government and leaders one of those areas?

CNN.com - Activist Sheehan*arrested in House gallery - Feb 1, 2006
USATODAY.com - Woman arrested after interrupting Laura Bush speech
Driver Arrested at Bush Speech Was Under Stress, Friends Say - New York Times
Teachers' T-Shirts Bring Bush Speech Ouster

just four here, I could give you hundreds more.
No censorship ?
Free speech ?
My ass.

Sunshine · #37 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by stillalive

Oh pal, don´t make it too hard for me.

Controlling and censoring speech IS brainwashing.

In China (and russia and vietnam and and and ...) people are brainwashed daily.

But no fear, the same thing happens in the USA. Brainwashing there is done very subtle, starting from kindergarden through school and university right into daily life via press and TV.
That´s why US americans believe they are the cream of the planet.
(though most of them are merely the foam at the mouth)

They only hear what they are supposed to hear. But they still use the argument:
We are free to hear it.

Konrad Adenauer, the first chancellor of the FRG once said:
Put a roof over the US and you get the biggest nuthouse in the world.

Have a nice saturday.

So vitriolic. Tsk Tsk.

Sunshine · #38 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by stillalive

So Voltaire is one of your forefathers ?

I rather like Voltaire. But you have failed to state what writing of his this was in.

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And you´re sure that the news you get are not censored ?

And you believe, everything the Washington Post writes is true.

I don't read the Washington Post.

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Wake up kid, look around you and realise that you live in big Brothers animal farm.

How was that:
Some animals are more equal than others - and we ALWAYS tell the truth, especially when we lie.

I am not an animal and I've never lived on a farm.

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I can just imagine you in a foreign country, listening with a smile to your guide and starting every answer with
WELL IN AMERICA WE DO.......

Actually, I still correspond with one of my Chinese guides. Never thought to compare notes on how things are done. But I'm very careful not to put him i the position of saying anything controversial. The last foreign country I was in, I gave a speech and got a standing ovation.

Seriously, I doubt you can imagine me at all.

Sunshine · #39 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by stillalive

CNN.com - Activist Sheehan arrested in House gallery - Feb 1, 2006
USATODAY.com - Woman arrested after interrupting Laura Bush speech
Driver Arrested at Bush Speech Was Under Stress, Friends Say - New York Times
Teachers' T-Shirts Bring Bush Speech Ouster

just four here, I could give you hundreds more.
No censorship ?
Free speech ?
My ass.

Sheehan has had her 15 minutes of fame. Free speech does not equate with disorderly conduct, which is a crime.

xy_god · #40 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Luap

China sounds like an interesting place. Anyway, goodnight.

And my avatar is a basketball player for the Boston Celtics. I don't know if you follow Chinese players in the NBA, but, hopefully Yao Ming returns to full health next season.

China is a good place, but full of pollution and populace!
No matter how worse China's environment is, China will be my motherland!
I love it forever!
But if we Chinese do our best to build it, it will be more and more beautiful!
I never follow any body!But I like NBA!
A player in NBA is always a bardian man! I like them!
YaoMing is idol of many China boys now! I like him also!
Free thinking and logical thinking are the most important things for me!
When I be in this board, I find many different thoughts, some are wrong, some are right!
But I know that's not the most important!It's very natural that there's difference between us!
We are living in the same planet, try to live together peacefully !
I think this is the most important things!

noahath · #41 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by xy_god

OK, Free to hurt other people, so this is freedom of westerners!
Sharon Stone, Cafferty, CNN, who know who will do the same thing in the future?
There're more and more stupid and cruel guys in west world!

No, some peope are just idiots irrespective of where they live. After Hurricane Katrina struck Louisiana two years go, there were many who claimed that the weather was a result of immoral activity in the area. It was a nonsensical comment ... just as Sharon Stone's was nonsensical. To make more of it than was intended, or to somehow conjur up that Sharon Stone was speaking for the entire west is just plain idiocy and wrong.

Hudson · #42 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by xy_god

OK, Free to hurt other people, so this is freedom of westerners!
Sharon Stone, Cafferty, CNN, who know who will do the same thing in the future?
There're more and more stupid and cruel guys in west world!

XY,
You need to chill when someone in the media or a celebrtity provides an opinion, whether Westerner, Chinese, or anyone else. Do not take it so personally. Let it go.

Hudson · #43 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by stillalive

CNN.com - Activist Sheehan arrested in House gallery - Feb 1, 2006
USATODAY.com - Woman arrested after interrupting Laura Bush speech
Driver Arrested at Bush Speech Was Under Stress, Friends Say - New York Times
Teachers' T-Shirts Bring Bush Speech Ouster

just four here, I could give you hundreds more.
No censorship ?
Free speech ?
My ass.

How much do you really want to bet the same type of stuff you just listed happens in Europe?

xy_god · #44 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Hudson

XY,
You need to chill when someone in the media or a celebrtity provides an opinion, whether Westerner, Chinese, or anyone else. Do not take it so personally. Let it go.

Thank you , I will chill!
I can chill,my friends can chill also, but I can't ensure that all other Chinese will chill!
I have said that when Sharon Stone violated a taboo, the first response of Chinese was that it's an American !

Hudson · #45 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by xy_god

Thank you , I will chill!
I can chill,my friends can chill also, but I can't ensure that all other Chinese will chill!
I have said that when Sharon Stone violated a taboo, the first response of Chinese was that it's an American !

XY,
I am not asking or suggesting all chill. I am just stating one should never take too personally what a celebrity says, no matter how insensitive or where they come from.

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