But Europe (the EU) is saying the exact opposite, and I think that is why this report came out when it did. There is a strong movement in the EU for that organization to take on larger roles, even leading ones, in international peace-keeping missions.

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EU? What do you think what the EU is? A kind of USA? It's completly useless what the EU would say in this case if it would say something someone could understand. Some european nations for example were so stupid to do war in Iraq and others were so stupid not to do it. The result is the same: Wrong questions are always producing stupid answers.

If soldiers are doing 'peace-keeping missions' there is a short word with three letters normally used instead this expression. The first is "w" the last "r" and the letter in the middle of the word is the same as the first letter from the word "asshole". Oh - yes - you are right - never thought about: But if somewhere is war - then there is no peace and in the same time peace exists there always is a danger that war occurs. What to do now? What about making peace-keeping holy days instead?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Joke? What do you think should the NATO do except keeping all members of the NATO in peace? As long as there are times of peace the NATO is not a joke. The NATO is a joke in case of war. We don't need the NATO to do war - we need the NATO to keep peace.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

At least there is peace in the region which is an important progress to the situation before. As for the conflict in Kosovo, things are more complicate, because if you'd pay attention to the political order of the new 'republic', you'd see that it is basically a compromise. Its sovereignty is narrowed. Had the Serbs used a more intelligent strategy, however, this would never have happened.
What happens when you let people kill each other, could be easily seen in Bosnia - where the UN forces (who were not allowed to defend themselves or others - great strategy, really! ) were used as human shields by cynical and scornful Serbian forces.

At least Germany should do all what is necessary to end this conflict - and if this means to send soldiers then I would appreciate it. The UK as well as Germany are both members of the EU which means - at least from my point of view - that they are obliged to keep up peace in this region.
Thinking that one should do nothing in these situations, that this is all about internal affairs would lead us right back to the 19th century.

Maybe more cynical than naive.
To make it clear, I do not support the war in Afghanistan or in Iraq, because I think the reasons for doing that were at least doubtful. Both regimes were supported by the US in the 80s, so I do not think that they really threatened America.

Doubtful? Germany is searching in the mountains in the near of the nuclear might Pakistan - where Russia lost a partisan war - for a criminal Saud called Osama Bin Laden since years, who needs a bloodwashing machine to survive. Very well done and I accept that we Germans are really complete idiots. Afghans and Taliban never attacked Europe or the USA. The international laws are saying very clear that it is criminal act what Germany is doing. That's what the Mafia is calling friendship: be a criminal because your "friends" like it, that you are a criminal. But because every nation in the whole world seems to be a criminal member of the Mafia everyone thinks that's normal.

Threat of America? Isn't the USA itself the worst enemy of the USA?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

So...what does the UN do then?

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Could you be so kind to elaborate what you consider near of Pakistan??

Last time I checked German troops served in the north, nowhere near of Pakistan, at least Imho a good citizen should know, where his soldiers are send to by his elected politicans.

I'm glad that you accept to be (a) German + (b) a complete idiot, don't know what qualifies you to say the same about all the other Germans.

That's why Nato helped/used the Afghan Northern Alliance to oust the Taliban and to help Afghanistan move into another direction.

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Thomas Hobbes

UNO? The USA, China, Russia, France and UK have a common will that is not criminal? Cannot be, isn't it? But do you know that every country in the world for example can declare war against Germany without asking the UNO? That's an UNO-Law (51 and 107). No one ever thought about to change this, what shows very good that the UN is a living cadaver - but not a modern organization. Why should Germany "help" the UNO while in the same time the UNO is defining Germany as an universal enemy of all nations of the world? It is as I said: I'm accepting, that we are idiots.

The only reason to help Afghanistan is just simple because Afghans had a long period of war for decades now - and perhaps it's really time now that war has to stop in this country because one cannot sleep very well if men, women, mothers, children are murdered in the world. But how can someone bring peace to a country where people see themselve as warriors, mothers of warriors, future warriors or mothers of future warriors? What a nonsense.

No - its only allowed to attack a country with military power if this country did an attack. That's very simple. We don't have to define wether the life style of the Afghan people is in the right way or not in the right way. Now we are protecting opium fields so that our young people will die because of drugs - but I heard also 10 percent of the Afghan people are dying in this way, while they had to live before in a way without honor. God must really be very patient with us all.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

I'm much more intelligent than the average - and I'm an idiot. So perhaps some Germans are no idiots - but I never met one.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

... to help Afghanistan move into another direction ...

What direction do you think about? Madagascar?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

If I bring all my children to bed every night I see a lot of empty beds in Germany where this little children called "soldiers" should sleep very well and dream of some good cake, young girls, flowers and conversations with friends. They are not here - so something went wrong, very wrong. Our elected politicians in some cases maybe are criminals which are stealing our children?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Funny just one post before you claimed to be more intelligent than the average and thus you are unable to understand the meaning of "moving into another direction".

Come on, even you can't be so dump to believe that I actually meant moving Afghanistan into another geographical direction/position.

Anyway if you insist, moving Afghanistans political+socialy into the direction of Madagascar would be an improvement. Even although it isn't a prime example for good governance+prosperity, it's still a better place than Afghanistan was under the Taliban rule.

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Thomas Hobbes

Easy answer No, not according to my jugdement, but you are free to have your own (ultrapacifistic) view and as a local election is upcoming in Bavaria, you'll soon have the chance to make your voice heard, if this topic really bothers you.

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"Homo Homini Lupus"
Thomas Hobbes

Really? Perhaps cracking a history book and studying Imperial Japan.

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Objectivity seeker.

I know that I'm an idiot - but you don't know that you are one. Who is more intelligent?

Think big - think bigger

Taliban did not attack Germany or an allied, Afghans did not attack Germany or an allied. So what? we cna send all soldiers to Madagascar to look for Osama bin Laden because maybe he's in this area? Or is he in Florida? ...

This is the reason western soldiers went to Afghanistan:



And what's the result of the "better world" of our heroinos?

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Soldiers in Afghanistan: Don't defend vote riggers and drug dealers. Come home friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlKx3YPL5I

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs