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Old 07-24-2008
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Really? Perhaps cracking a history book and studying Imperial Japan.
You don't have any lousy idea about the complexity of the japanese culture.
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Easy answer No, not according to my jugdement, but you are free to have your own (ultrapacifistic) view and as a local election is upcoming in Bavaria, you'll soon have the chance to make your voice heard, if this topic really bothers you.
Does anyone need a proof that you're not an idiot? Not me. Germans would be upset because I said "let them all kill themselves" and after a while if they think about, most Germans are saying: "That's not completly wrong and you are right: it's not our problem how other people in the world like to live." We don't have a message to the world and we don't have a mission in the world. We like to do a barbecue and like to discuss about the problem why a dwarf is not growing if it's watered and in the same time we are constructing a plan of a space ship just for fun.

Germans in general are not able to understand what Americans like to do in the world and why they are doing it. We are always very confused if we are watching the american politics. I think the french people are knowing much more about empirial politics as we do. I don't see any sense in an imperial politics. That was never in history a german way. Wilhelm II was in my eyes nothing else than an .. you're right! yes! you got it!: an idiot. infected from some anglo-saxon ideas and fantasies and ignoring the real existing world.
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I know that I'm an idiot - but you don't know that you are one. Who is more intelligent?
That's rather a question of self-esteem/personality, than intelligence.

You seem to be happy to call yourself an idiot, I prefer walking upright and not acting self-insulting.

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Taliban did not attack Germany or an allied, Afghans did not attack Germany or an allied. So what? we cna send all soldiers to Madagascar to look for Osama bin Laden because maybe he's in this area? Or is he in Florida? ...

This is the reason western soldiers went to Afghanistan:


And what's the result of the "better world" of our heroinos?
And your point is what???

Bringing the troops home and hoping that heroine production/trafficing will stop?
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... And your point is what???
I don't have points or solutions - I'm just saying what I think.

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Bringing the troops home and hoping that heroine production/trafficing will stop?
If the Afghans say, that we have to go home then we have to go immediately and we cannot take care about what americans or europeans or anyone else in the world is thinking about. Until this will happen - and it will happen one day - we should take much more care for civil help. If the people don't possess anything what is worthful - and I don't speak about the illusions of drugs in this case - there is nothing to defend for the peole and every enemy will be welcome because fighting seems to be the only thing Afghans can do in a perfect way since milleniums. But I do not think it's a good idea to use this capacity. It's better to fight for good living conditions instead fighting against enemies.

The problem with the opium and heroin of Aghanistan is really a very heavy problem, that must be solved and cannot be ignored. 97% of the production of the world. But on thhe other hand we are not the people which are able to save people from problems with drugs - we are not even able to protect our own societies from drugs. This problem is very serios and it will 'kill' us because it shows our incompetence and helplessness very clear.

While we are thinking we are winining we are loosing in the same time. Typically. If we kill a suicide bomber we are loosing - because he likes it to be dead. But it's better if this people survive and are able really to think about what happened. They are knowing very well themselves that they are no heroes and they are knowing very well themselves that they got no order from god to do so - because always he is only on the side of life and never on the side of death.

Military solutions are often in the way that death and destruction is in the middle of the thoughts - but life and construction must be in the middle of all thoughts. That's the only way to win - there is no other way. This is what I think about in the moment. ... oh ... and everyone should control himself wether (s)he's using automatisms in the kind of thinking: We must think about what we are really doing and should not loose contact to the reality. War is war - and not a virtual game.

If someone is dead no might in the whole world can recreate the light of a destroyed life again. Death means always: now it's too late and nothing can be anymore corrected. You might smile about but I hate it to make god angry - because I know he can be very angry - and he is punishing the little sins immediately but the big sins in later times.
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Old 07-25-2008
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You don't have any lousy idea about the complexity of the japanese culture.
I know enough about it that makes this statement of yours....

"But how can someone bring peace to a country where people see themselve as warriors, mothers of warriors, future warriors or mothers of future warriors? What a nonsense."

....gets exposed as poppycock. Japanese cultural complexity did see themselves as warriors....mother of warriors......future warriors....and mothers of future warriors. They are historically one of the most fanatical and extreme military cultures to exist on this planet. And yet.....someone did bring peace...successfully.


Making your statement.....wrong. and the "what a nonsense" that ends it...nonsensical.

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... We move on.
Do it.

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... They are historically one of the most fanatical and extreme military cultures to exist on this planet. ...
But perhaps you can find a Japanese who is able to explain to you for example who Tokiyasu Shinnô was saying:

kimi ga tame
haru no no ni idete
wakana tsumu

wa ga koromode ni
yuki wa furitsutsu


Tokiyasu Shinnô

Unfortunately I have only a German translation:

Für Dich, Geliebte,
gehe ich hinaus aufs Frühlingsfeld
und pflücke junge Kräuter;

auf meinen Ärmel herab
fällt wieder und wieder noch Schnee.


For me it is astonishing what this Tennô (830–887) is saying to us much more than 1000 years ago. We will see what people will say about the poems and the art to live life of the presidents of the USA in the year 3200 if they ever will be translated in German.
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Old 07-28-2008
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Re: Europe's armies chided in report

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But perhaps you can find a Japanese who is able to explain to you for example who Tokiyasu Shinnô was saying:

kimi ga tame
haru no no ni idete
wakana tsumu

wa ga koromode ni
yuki wa furitsutsu


Tokiyasu Shinnô

Unfortunately I have only a German translation:

Für Dich, Geliebte,
gehe ich hinaus aufs Frühlingsfeld
und pflücke junge Kräuter;

auf meinen Ärmel herab
fällt wieder und wieder noch Schnee.


For me it is astonishing what this Tennô (830–887) is saying to us much more than 1000 years ago. We will see what people will say about the poems and the art to live life of the presidents of the USA in the year 3200 if they ever will be translated in German.
Pick up a history book. Study the war in 1941, you don't need to return to 830 or Tenno. Your statement is in error......It isn't nonsensical, it is historical fact. Fascists, Communists, Marxists, Imperialists, Colonialists, and future dictators, and mothers of future dictators...have all received peace either successfully and welcomed, or shoved up their wazoos but successfully none-the-less. With such recent examples in antithiesis of your argument, I'm surprised you're even still discussing this.

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Pick up a history book. Study the war in 1941, you don't need to return to 830 or Tenno. ...
If I will take a history book in the year 3200 then it will be written "Japan (Nihon or Nippon?) is an island country ..." and it will perhaps also be written "The United States of America, usually referred to as the United States, USA, the U.S. or America, was a country in North America ..."
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If I will take a history book in the year 3200 then it will be written "Japan (Nihon or Nippon?) is an island country ..." and it will perhaps also be written "The United States of America, usually referred to as the United States, USA, the U.S. or America, was a country in North America ..."
Why not just use any history book found in any library? Your...."But how can someone bring peace to a country where people see themselve as warriors, mothers of warriors, future warriors or mothers of future warriors? What a nonsense."......is answered time and again. The how cans, the who and when, the repeated examples throughout history. Many a nation, tribe, religious jihad...have been shown peace through one means or another, and then thrived on it.
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Why not just use any history book found in any library? Your...."But how can someone bring peace to a country where people see themselve as warriors, mothers of warriors, future warriors or mothers of future warriors? What a nonsense."......is answered time and again. The how cans, the who and when, the repeated examples throughout history. Many a nation, tribe, religious jihad...have been shown peace through one means or another, and then thrived on it.
I don't have any answer to this statement. Thought about that Ahmadinedschad is not completly wrong if he speaks about an "'empire of the devil' in case of the USA.

Once I had the dream to live for a while in Japan - it was the onyl country I liked to live for a while - but it was only a dream and anyhow I could not live like a Japanese in Japan. I would always be an alien in this case. Once I had the real offer to work in the USA - but I didn't like to do so. Anyway - now I'm hungry and I have to take a look wether some children are playing in the street. Should I take a dark one or a white one?

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Why not just use any history book found in any library? Your...."But how can someone bring peace to a country where people see themselve as warriors, mothers of warriors, future warriors or mothers of future warriors? What a nonsense."......is answered time and again. The how cans, the who and when, the repeated examples throughout history. Many a nation, tribe, religious jihad...have been shown peace through one means or another, and then thrived on it.
By the way: Peace and peace are different words - Why has the USA so many prisoners and why is it doing so many wars?
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By the way: Peace and peace are different words
Are they?

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Prisoners and prisoners are different words. And wars and wars are different words as well.
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Are they?
Peace and peace are two words.

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Prisoners and prisoners are different words. And wars and wars are different words as well.
War is only one word because war is always the way of murdering innocent people and prisoners are millions of words.
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Peace and peace are two words.



War is only one word because war is always the way of murdering innocent people and prisoners are millions of words.
There must be something lost in translation here, because that makes no sense.
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