Thread: Kaliningrad Oblast--its future

Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Eastern Germany, which its the formerly slavonic lands rightfully belongs to Slavonic states, like Russia, Ukraine and Poland.

I see that you have a lack of history.

Please may I remind you that before any Slav appeared in what is nowadays Germany, Czech Republic , Poland and Western Ukraine it was populated by various Germanic tribes. Read Tacticus

Another thing, large part of nowadays Russia isn't Slavic land either; Ingria, Siberia, Mid-Volga, Northern Russia...

Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Eastern Germany, which its the formerly slavonic lands rightfully belongs to Slavonic states, like Russia, Ukraine and Poland.

Yet again you prove that history isn't your strong suit.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Yet again you prove that history isn't your strong suit.

If a slavonic tribe has territorial rights in eastern Germany, than its the descendents of the Sorbs, and definitely not modern national states.......


Sorbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But the Sorbs already enjoy autonomy , and they´re not doing too badly ( one of them has become prime minister of the state of Saxony recently......

Originally Posted by Fennica

How far back do you want to take these matters?
. . .

Hmmm...or forward that is. This gives me an idea how to get the UK to join the euro and other general EU things for which it's been exempt:



"Ordahh Ordahhh! All those in favour of joining the euro say 'ja!'"

stillalive (MP-Leipzig)=Jaaaa!!!
Voland (MP-Dresden)=Jaaaa!!!

etc.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Hmmm...or forward that is. This gives me an idea how to get the UK to join the euro and other general EU things for which it's been exempt:



"Ordahh Ordahhh! All those in favour of joining the euro say 'ja!'"

stillalive (MP-Leipzig)=Jaaaa!!!
Voland (MP-Dresden)=Jaaaa!!!

etc.



Anglo-Saxons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Fennica

How far back do you want to take these matters?
Eastern Germany was not Slavonic lands, it's amusing that you claim that though.
Amusing, because Russia, in your mind, is a Slav nation and Russian Federation is the protector of all Slavonics.
Truth is that Russia is ruled by the big-Russian kin, but the whole of the population is not slavonic.

Yes, Russians of Central Russia (including Volga, excluding Tatarstan), Western Ural and Eastern Ural are predominantly of finno-ugric origin, that's why Finland and Estonia belongs to Russian people.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Hmmm...or forward that is. This gives me an idea how to get the UK to join the euro and other general EU things for which it's been exempt:



"Ordahh Ordahhh! All those in favour of joining the euro say 'ja!'"

stillalive (MP-Leipzig)=Jaaaa!!!
Voland (MP-Dresden)=Jaaaa!!!

etc.



Anglo-Saxons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hilarious!!

Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Yes, Russians of Central Russia (including Volga, excluding Tatarstan), Western Ural and Eastern Ural are predominantly of finno-ugric origin, that's why Finland and Estonia belongs to Russian people.

Nice to see that you have read some more history, good for you!!
Now, the areas you mentioned indeed were Finnic tribal areas.
Some Finnics there are very distant relatives while others, like the Inkeri, are close.
But somehow, Russia now owning those area and having tried it's best to get rid of the tribal peoples there
(to forgeiners; Russians have deported Finnics into Siberia many times, in hopes that they'd die out, and have now banned even their native languages)
, doesn't mean that Russian Federation somehow has a claim to Finland and Estonia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ian_people.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...romian-map.png

http://www.paabo.ca/uirala/uini-name...Map-3000BC.jpg

http://indo-european.eu/wiki/images/..._languages.png

Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Yes, Russians of Central Russia (including Volga, excluding Tatarstan), Western Ural and Eastern Ural are predominantly of finno-ugric origin, that's why Finland and Estonia belongs to Russian people.

Probably one of the funniest things I have read in a long time.

I remember this guy once claiming : "Russias natural western border is the Rhine".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

Originally Posted by Voland

I remember this guy once claiming : "Russias natural western border is the Rhine".

Vladimir Zhirinovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am glad that he, and those who think like him, seem to be the minority in Russia.

Originally Posted by Voland

I remember this guy once claiming : "Russias natural western border is the Rhine".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

Why stop in front of France? Why not making Vladivostok the Western and the easter border at the same time?

Russian population may speak a slavic language, but ethnically and culturally it is a mix of cultures and languages. Russian language has also many dialects with words borrowed from local languages.

Western and southern slavs have quite different mentality from Russians, and want to keep distance to Russia. No western/southern slavic country except for Serbia wants closer relationship with Russia.